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Post by richie on Nov 17, 2010 21:14:27 GMT
hi guys i just got myself a volume pedal today from a very dear friend of the forum
im really pleased at the moment on how my sound is turning out
and im very thank full to everyone one on the forum who has helped me out . while my time on here including charlie.
i now have a decent amp fender blues junior
and i use the quadraverb plus and now the volume pedal
is there any other hank effects i need to get???
i know i have a long way to go but my set up at the moment is great . ive been working on the volume pedal and it sounds great
im after the backing on going home shadows version i thought id give it a go all so im thinking of trying music of the night
that hank covered andrew loyed webber
i think that will work beautifully with the volume pedal
cheers Richie
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Post by sixchannel on Nov 17, 2010 21:24:10 GMT
Hi Richie
the one effect I wouldnt be without is my Compressor pedal. I have a Monte Alums modified Boss CS-3 (second hand off the well known auction site) but the cheap (but performs very well) Behringer CL9 is a Steal at the £22 price including delivery.
cheers
ian
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Post by richie on Nov 17, 2010 21:30:03 GMT
Hi Richie
the one effect I wouldnt be without is my Compressor pedal. I have a Monte Alums modified Boss CS-3 (second hand off the well known auction site) but the cheap (but performs very well) Behringer CL9 is a Steal at the £22 price including delivery.
cheers
ian hi ian what does that one do again sorry for acting dumb mate |
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Post by tonybiker on Nov 18, 2010 0:29:20 GMT
Richie. Before you run off and buy one, you need to understand what it does. Its main function is to lift the volume of softly picked notes and decrease the harder picked ones giving a more equal volume. Careful adjustment is needed with a 'clean' sound. One of the advantages is a note becomes compressed to the point that it can add sustain. But it does have it's draw backs. It can thin out your sound and often the player uses too much and you hear a 'clack' after each picked note. A typical over-compressed sound is the original Atlantis. This was of course added by the studio, and a sound I don't persoanlly like. I have used a compressor pedal in a live situation to help with some muted sections to help it sound more prominant. You also need to add the compressor before your delay. With your valve amp, in 'princible' it will compress anyway, but you would have to push the amp hard to do so. If your recording, then a a more able bodied compressor would have more use than a stomp box pedal. The pedals tend to be sold as 'compressor sustainer'. So look at a compressor as something to put something right. This link maybe useful: www.behringer.com/EN/Products/CS100.aspxThe Boss is expensive and an excellent alternative is the Behringer. The above pedal has been replaced with the CS400. Hope that helps. Tony |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2010 1:02:05 GMT
Richie Tony's explanation of a what a compressor does is spot on and I have nothing to add to it. I have a Boss CS3 that I got second-hand on Gumtree. I occasionally use it for muted sections but that's all. (Occasional use only) As Tony mentioned above If you get one make sure you put it before your quadraverb !! Another device that seems to be popular for shadows music is the Gemini 3. www.gemini3.eu/sess/utn;jsessionid=154ce47ad2becfe/shopdata/index.shopscriptAll the best George |
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Post by richie on Nov 18, 2010 9:07:11 GMT
cheers tony and george
im not going to rush out and get anything at the moment tony
i just wanted to inquier first thanks mate
so if i get one i need to be careful when using it yes
so hank uses one yes?
Regards Richie
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Post by sixchannel on Nov 18, 2010 9:29:17 GMT
Hi Richie
Yep - Hank certainly does use one. A lot of his modern sound tracks are quite clearly compressed. Even early on - eg Atlantis - compression was added - probably post-recording.
By the time Id got back to this thread - TonyBiker had put up the perfect response. ACE, Mate!
Yes- it is a pedal that needs care in set-up. I rarely have mine set above 11 o clock setting, even on neck pickup "Parisienne Walkways" type of stuff.
I m careful where I use it. Sometimes you play tunes where you actually DO want the odd note to be quieter (for emotion and expression) and a Compressor set too high (apart from clacking on Bridge pickup) tends to rob that out. When I was learning I got into a terribly bad habit of overplaying the first note in every phrase. Rather than fixing the habit, I bought a Compressor!  Sure that fixed it but it created other problems too. So, I've learned to curb my picking style and have found that a Compressor is a useful tool but not a hammer to knock every nail in.
cheers
ian
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Post by richie on Nov 18, 2010 9:36:42 GMT
ok thanks for that info ian ill take it on board
cheers Richie
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Post by Charlie Hall on Nov 18, 2010 10:13:20 GMT
I think it is important to mention that Hank does not use a compressor in his rig so there would be no compression on his live sound unless the sound technicians add any from their end, which I think is probably unlikely, since I was told by the guy operating the front of house desk on one tour that his job was to reproduce as close as possible the sound that was actually coming out of Hank's amp. There will almost certainly be compression used by the studio on every recording. In the case of the old recordings when Hank played with echo (which he does not do now except so that he can use it to get the right feel, but not recording the echo part which is added later), it is important to understand that the whole signal of dry guitar + echo would be compressed. To simulate this then the compressor would be placed after the echo and not before, the only problem with doing that is that typical pedal compressors are not as refined as the ones used in studios. Despite that, the usual way to use a compressor (if at all) to the best effect for live playing would be to place it between the guitar and the echo. I don't use one for live playing except as a special sustain effect for the lead breaks of some vocal numbers because at the higher volume levels I play at the amp compresses the signal by some amount anyway. I do hear compression on the sound of some Shadows numbers played by certain people on YouTube, and the fact that I can tell compression was used means I think it was overdone.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by sixchannel on Nov 18, 2010 11:31:47 GMT
the fact that I can tell compression was used means I think it was overdone. Regards, Charlie
cheers
ian |
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Post by Charlie Hall on Nov 18, 2010 11:42:12 GMT
Hi Ian,
It wasn't you I had in mind. Never own up to something until you have no other option!
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by sixchannel on Nov 18, 2010 12:49:24 GMT
LOL ! !
Guilty conscience, I guess
cheers
Ian
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Post by richie on Nov 18, 2010 17:09:45 GMT
but anyway its worth me getting one then yes?
cheers richie
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Post by richie on Nov 18, 2010 17:25:51 GMT
this is interesting as well i found thanks Richie  |
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Post by tonybiker on Nov 18, 2010 17:35:20 GMT
Hi Richie.
A number of members from this site did start buy one sometime ago, but most found it was not what they thought it was. For live clean stuff, it's of little use unless you use an over-driven sound. It can wreck a clean sound. If it's recording then consider a rack type unit that will have all the bells and frills, for recording it does have it's uses and can be essential.
Charlie made a very good point. If you can hear compression then you have too much.
Tony
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Post by philbarker on Nov 18, 2010 17:42:08 GMT
Hi Ritchie and everyone
I was a constant user of the CS-3 but have hardly used it since getting a Q2. It is however still in my chain and occasionally I switch it in just to try different sounds. For the £30 odd pounds it cost off the well known auction site I found it to be a good purchase.
PhilB
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Post by tonybiker on Nov 18, 2010 17:46:20 GMT
Richie.
Here is a good movie where you can hear the difference from clean to compressed.
Tony
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Post by richie on Nov 18, 2010 18:08:10 GMT
thanks guys so for what i do making videos and that would it be worth using or not??
thanks
rich
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Post by Charlie Hall on Nov 18, 2010 19:56:54 GMT
Hi Richie,
Your video camera's sound has a compressor built into it. Your new one (I don't know if you have it yet) probably will have too. The compression is one of the problems with your sound because it is too intrusive.
I think that buying a compressor for the way you currently record would be a bad idea.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by richie on Nov 18, 2010 19:59:57 GMT
ok charlie thanks
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Sure that fixed it but it created other problems too. So, I've learned to curb my picking style and have found that a Compressor is a useful tool but not a hammer to knock every nail in.
