Kemper Amp

[arni]

I'm using the new Kemper Amp with many profiles from vintage amps. vox ac30 amps: www.theampfactory.com
Fantastic sound !
I can recommend this Kemper Amp. This amp with the AC30 profiles is perfect for the shadows sound.

[santoinetwo]

I don't own one yet ! But sure plan to swap my rack system, Once I can obtain sensible offers for the gear I have.

[rogerbayliss]

Was interested in these as you have mentioned them ... very good here is a demo and some explanation for others


www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk7GexV_TF0

[arni]

I own a vox ac30. I can say the kemper ac30 profiles ( also profiles from many other amps ) sounds absolutely identical. I have now many ac30 profiles from the 60's ( 1964, 1966, 1970 ). It sounds
incredible. You can also profile your own amps.
You have the full amp feeling.

Look here the kemper page:
www.kemper-amps.com

[jay]

..... as I understand it this is a pre-amp and whilst I have no doubt that it (plus a lot of wizardry) does what it is supposed to do in emulating just about any tube amp out there, unless you listen to the results via headphones or after putting it through a recording set up it cannot possibly work correctly if it is hooked up to any power amp/speaker combination.

What is the point of "profiling" say a Vox AC30 from the early 60s and then have it played through say a Marshall power amp and a 2x12? The result cannot possibly be accurate since there is no such thing as a "transparent power amp/speaker combo" which will allow the "profile" to come through as it should. The same would happen with any PA system.

Jay (maybe I've misunderstood the whole thing?)

[didier]

Jun 9, 2013 9:53:14 GMT jay said:

..... as I understand it this is a pre-amp and whilst I have no doubt that it (plus a lot of wizardry) does what it is supposed to do in emulating just about any tube amp out there, unless you listen to the results via headphones or after putting it through a recording set up it cannot possibly work correctly if it is hooked up to any power amp/speaker combination.

What is the point of "profiling" say a Vox AC30 from the early 60s and then have it played through say a Marshall power amp and a 2x12? The result cannot possibly be accurate since there is no such thing as a "transparent power amp/speaker combo" which will allow the "profile" to come through as it should. The same would happen with any PA system.

Jay (maybe I've misunderstood the whole thing?)

This unit is one of the many amp emulators, so as such it's not intended to be used with a guitar amp, already having its own sound. You can't "remove" the Marshall sound from a Marshall guitar amp to "replace" it by an AC30 sound !
It should be used for direct connection to a mixer or recorder, and can also be used with any linear amplification, such as a good PA system.

Didier

[arni]

The Kemper Amp is a not one of the many emulators. This unit is a absolutely innovation. You have so many flexible possibilities. The price is right.
For example I have the original (!) profiles from David Gilmours Hiwatt: www.theampfactory.com/downloads/gilmour-hiwatt-100-1970-10-profiles.
The profiles sounds 100 % identical with the original amps (head to head record).

What would it be like, if someone could supply the amps from Hank.......

[garystrat]

Whilst it may be beyond the budget of many, I think potentially it could be an attractive proposition for gigging artists, enthusiasts and studio use.

I agree with Didier that there are probably three options for use, direct recording in the studio, through a PA or a neutral amp setup. With the new generation of smaller PA's like the Yamaha Stagpas 500, this may well have the potential for ease of transport, use and setup. It is claimed that it can even be EQ'd directly on the Kemper as per a conventional amp!.

Most of the reviewers seem to have a nearly, but not quite there view of general amp simulations, either software or hardware. However, most the reviews that I have read seem pretty impressed with the Kemper, saying that it really does give the sound and feel of the holy grail of valve amps amongst others. To have a choice of amps and speakers in a box could be quite attractive in many scenarios, and maybe cost effective.

For a device that is seemingly so flexible and authentic, is it really that expensive or is it progress towards the next generation of equipment?

Gary

[jay]

.......well it seems I didn't misunderstand anything and since I have no use for any sort of PA system and in particular one which would not distort "the profiles" and which would probably cost more than the Kemper, and don't do any recording.....I'm out!

jay

[asimmd]

Perhaps a coupe of samples of the units sound would be appropriate.

If it's that good it might be worth the price.

Alan

[arni]

I think I have to correct a misunderstanding.
You can play the kemper also in a tube amp. In this case you have only to turn off the speaker simulation from the profiled amp.You have also a complete effect section ( delays, chorus, distortion ).
I have many, many vintage and rare profiled amps.They sounds great and absolutely original. In my opinion invaluable treasures.

[jay]

Hi Arni.....would you please tell me exactly how you are using the Kemper, I mean how are you listening to the profiles?

jay

[arni]

Hi Jay,
you have so many output sources . I'm using the main outs to pa and monitor out to my combo.

Look here:

"In the second page of the Output menu you can modify the routing to the physical outputs, or in other words, select the signal sources for the outputs. If you feel that every output delivers the signal that you need, then feel free to skip this chapter. The factory settings for the signal sources cover most of the regu- lar applications.
Each output can tap many different points in the signal flow. Here is a summarized description of signal sources, that the outputs can tap. Not that not all sources are available for all outputs. The following listing is not necessary the order of appearance but the best order for description.
WHAT’S NEW IN VERSION 1.5? 17
Off
Self-explanatory – the output is muted.
Git Analog
(Only available and default setting for the Direct Output).
The pure and clean instrument signal is sent to the Direct Output by an analog splitter, no AD/DA conversion is taking place. The analog signal level is the same as on the instrument input. Useful for reamping or running a second amp in parallel.
Git + Processing
(Not available for S/PDIF Output).
Similar to “Git Analog” but AD conversion is taking place. This puts the noise gate from the input section and the volume pedal in the signal path (if volume pedal is set to “Pre Stomps”).
Note: The volume control of the respective outputs will have no impact on the source settings “Git”, because they are made to reproduce the original instrument volume.
18 KEMPER PROFILING AMPLIFIER
Git Studio
Similar to “Git + Processing”, but here the instrument signal is sent out at studio level, which is much louder as the original level. Thus no separate DI box is needed to record the pure instrument for reamping purposes. Since the instrument volume is high, the recommended leveling of “Clean Sense” in the Input Section is important.
Stack
This signal is tapped directly behind the “Stack” section and does not include any post amp effects.
Mod Stereo
(Not available for Direct Output and Monitor Output, as these are mono outputs). This stereo signal is tapped directly behind the MOD section and contains the whole signal, but without Delay and Reverb.
Mod Mono
Delivers a mono mix of the “Mod Stereo” signal.
Mod Left
(or Right for Direct Output).
Delivers only one side of the stereo signal of “Mod Stereo” . This will sound similar to Mod Mono but often less dense, depending what stereo effects are used.
Master Stereo
(Default setting for Main Output and S/PDIF Output, not available for Direct Output and Monitor Output, as these are mono outputs).
Represents the full signal with all effects in stereo.
Master Mono
(Default setting for Monitor Output).
Delivers a mono mix of the “Master Stereo” signal.
Master Left
(or Right for Direct Output).
Delivers only one side of the stereo signal of “Mod Stereo” . This will sound similar to Master Mono but often less dense, depending what stereo effects are used.
Delay/Reverb wet
(Only available for Main Output and S/PDIF Output).
Only the wet stereo effect signal of the Delay and Reverb are sent to the Output. If no Delay or Reverb is active, the output will remain silent.
The following three settings are only available for the S/PDIF Output. It allows you to simultaneously re- cord the pure instrument signal for reamping purposes (as described in “Git Studio”) and a mono amplifier signal on your digital audio workstation. The pure instrument signal appears on the left side of the digital S/PDIF signal, the amp signal on the right.
Git / Stack
The left signal is the pure instrument, with noise gate and volume pedal (if volume pedal is set to “Pre Stomps”). The right signal side will carry the Stack signal and does not include any post amp effects

WHAT’S NEW IN VERSION 1.5? 19
Git / Mod Left
The same as above, but with the right signal taken from the left channel of the MOD section
Git / Mod Mono
The same as above, but with the right signal taken from the mono mix of the MOD section.
Now after the straight explanations of the output sources, here are some useful applications and com- ments for your inspiration:
The Direct Output acts as an analog buffer amp for the instrument input, when set to “Git Analog” – the default setting. It qualifies well for reamping purposes as it provides a ground lift switch, as well as the other analog outputs. Try different combinations of ground lifts for best hum and noise suppression. One ground lift switch should always be off (that means “grounded”). Often you get best results if the Direct Output is the one connection with no ground lift.
The Output Source setting for Direct Output is only active, when not in Kemper Profiler Mode and no ana- log effects loop (Stomp Loop) is active.
This can be used for a trick when you are profiling amplifiers: When you set Direct Output Source to “Off”, you can mute the reference amplifier by simply switching from Kemper Profiler mode to Browser mode. Back to Kemper Profiler Mode your reference amp will play again.
Tip: the reference amp can also be muted while you stay in the Kemper Profiler mode. Simply press the ON/OFF button while you listen to the profile (setting “Kemper Amp”) to mute the reference amp. This way you can listen to the pure profile by your monitor speakers without having your reference amp play along. But be aware that a valid A/B comparison of the original amp and the residual profile is only pos- sible when your reference amp is playing even when you listen to the profile, because muting the reference amp will change the acoustic environment.
Use the Direct Output or any other output at setting “Git” for connecting an external instrument tuner.
The Monitor Output allows to run the amp sound without virtual cabinet, while other outputs still contain the virtual cabinet. Engage “MonitorCabOff” to switch off the cabinet. Any Output Source can be applied to the Monitor Output with “MonitorCabOff”. Of course the “Git” settings remain unaffected by “Monitor- CabOff”. Read more about the Monitor features in the chapter “Monitor”.

[dodane1857]

Dear musicien;

I had a Kemper since one year; I never be able to obtain the Shadows sound or Hank Marvin sound,I spend many hours without good result.
Can you please give us the total regulation to amplify, delay, reverb, cabinet, etc.
The most information will be glad and thanks very much for your right answer.
regards
L [e-mail]

[sheendigs]

Hi There
Some demo here:
youtu.be/Na3_Zh3EF0I

You should go his site and perhaps buy the Vox preset..this will help you the VOX AC30 sound:
www.topjimi.com/

And if you select this, there is a vox sound there: (Down at the bottom)
www.topjimi.com/1963-Vox-AC30-Profiles-63VOXAC30.htm
Sheendigs

[asimmd]

I had a Kemper a couple of years ago.

Every clean sound sounded the same yes I bought the
amp models from the usual sources but no luck.

If you want overdriven distorted stuff that go for it.

I have yet to hear a Shadows tune played in a
Realistic way through a Kemper.

The nicest clean sound I had was from the Carol Ann amp
but it's not Shadows.

Luckily for me I sent it back and got a full refund.

Alan

[Steve Reynolds]

these and the axe fx look great for studio musicians or session players who need a mix of amps at all times but they are so expensive and overkill for most other players

[glyderslead]

Yes, all looks too complicated to me.

For my part, I really don't like spending hours twiddling with a million different settings. I can afford one of these, but why buy a headache? I do understand that some people like to copy an artist sound that was captured on a particular day for a particular recording so they can make a recording too. But for many who play covers in a live band as I always have, all the right notes played in the right order with feeling and with a good close tone and suitable effects does all that is necessary - same as HM does (did) so as to be close as possible to the initial recording tone and echo's in a live situation.

I think I'll stay with my Roland GP100 for a varied set of excellent guitar sounds and amps which I have used for years and can be bought even now for £100 or so on the unmentionable site. Charlie did not feel it was suitable for EFTP, but echo and reverb can be turned off and you can use the H&CSE. This gives you a whole bag of different amp models and effects and with the F200 foot switch (£75 or so?) you can change from one sound to another very easily.

So, like Jay..............I'm out!!!!

Mick

[scanners]

I'm confused on what is does is it like a modeling amp? it's a lot of $$ to fork out whatever the case
Matthew

[sheendigs]

Hi Matthew
Better have a look at a demo:
youtu.be/ZjdaZKpDwdU
Sheendigs

[santoinetwo]

In a follow up to my very early post on this thread. I finally own a Kemper / Power head and matching controller. I use a JBL full range cab, and the sound is to me at least quite impressive . Less than half the weight of my Mesa Boogie rack. I have only used it a few times on stage and yes a few tweaks to the sound, nothing more than treble reduction to match my PRS 513. The sound of 'Hank' Well only time will tell with more use. The Vox sounds are extremely good, Also the fender twin sound is amazing. Yes the Kemper is expensive, But for me I'm happy with what I have paid for. Of course I forgot to mention I use the 'Hall & Collins' Signature Echo with the Kemper. bit more trial and error and I'm sure I will achieve a very acceptable 'Shadows' Tone