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Post by abbeyroadie on Aug 22, 2014 10:27:56 GMT
ADVANCE NOTIFICATION !!! NEW HALL & COLLINS ECHO ....
For those of you who have asked Charlie to put you on his waiting list for the new Hall & Collins Echo and for those of you that are interested I have a little unofficial news. Firstly by way of explanation to those of you that do not know and might be asking who am I to make any comment, Charlie & I ran Echoes From The Past together for about 10 years and have been good friends for longer still. I expect only because of that history and experience we gained together I was last night given a unique opportunity for which I feel privileged as I have no connection to the new unit or Charlie's current business. I was able listen to and comment on the latest version of the new unit and it's new echo programs. Charlie played and explained in detail the differences to previous units for almost 2 hours and whilst I cannot go in to fine detail I can honestly say that this new unit will as the saying goes will....blow you away. Everything sounded spot on even despite the fact that some programs have yet to be finally "EQ'ed" and Charlie used a Fender amp for the demo. From Apache which to me has always been the most difficult to emulate through all the other hits you can imagine. Blue Star , Sleepwalk and Cosy were for me were outstanding. Obviously there will be a full range of Shadows echoes but also others you will hopefully find useful. I understand that each echo will be set at it's optimum setting as default but there is plenty of variation and adjustment available to tailor to your own taste, so I personally would think that no matter what amp you have you will be able to achieve a great sound. There are a few more echoes yet to be written so don't bank on getting your hands on this unit just yet but I understand that meetings have taken place with Charlie's manufacturer who is keen to put the units into production a.s.a.p as the most important matters including board layout and case design have been finalised. If you are in the market for a splendid Christmas present then I suggest you write to Santa soon as I think there will be a big demand. It's been a long time coming but well worth the wait, well done Charlie & John. PA
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Post by shadowkarl on Aug 22, 2014 11:51:03 GMT
Hi Peter
that sound`s great and is still wetting our appetites even more, if an expert like you praise that holy grail device that high. May I or we attendees deduct, that by Christmas time this year, there is the Chance of having one of this units on our table? So I will not write to Santa but to Charlie! He has got me on his list anyway.
Shadowkarl
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Post by Gilvin on Aug 22, 2014 18:37:22 GMT
My bit is well champed and my teeth worn out, I for one can't wait but wait I will have to I know, as many are also doing in keen anticipation of this Holy Grail!
Thanks for the update Abbeyroadie and I'm sure Charlie is heartened more so by your appreciative comments, I'm sure many more plaudits will be heading Messer's Hall and Collins way very shortly.
Good luck Charlie on what we all hope is the final run in to a masterful conclusion.
Regards to all who wait and long, John
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Post by brileary on Aug 22, 2014 21:46:21 GMT
I wish the product huge success and that it becomes the new standard as the original modifications to hardware with EFTP software had became the norm over the past 10 years or so. Many other models have surfaced over the years but the EFTP branding is regarded as the benchmark.
An adverse remark was recently made about the EFTP echo used at the North Nott's meet a few weeks ago in that Charlie Hall made the mistake of his proven work to be over the top regarding the level of echo colouring the sound too much in all the patches. It was good enough for Hank Marvin and the owner of the unit (MagiStomp I think) being used at the meet was most annoyed with the bloke who'd borrowed it for a set.
Perhaps Charlie would wish to comment on the derogatory comments ie slagging off EFTP.
Bri
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Post by Charlie Hall on Aug 22, 2014 22:17:10 GMT
Hi Peter, Thanks for your comments. Always useful to hear things we couldn't really say ourselves.
Hi Karl, I had to laugh. I imagined the Hall & Collins echo on your Christmas dinner table on a plate next to the turkey! I can say that we are working to try to have the unit ready by December, but we cannot promise that just yet.
Hi John, I hope you will be pleased with the unit when you hear it.
Hi Bri, Thanks for your comments. As for the player at the meet, it's nothing new but fortunately quite rare. Fair enough if he genuinely thought what he said.
Regards, Charlie
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Post by bor64 on Aug 23, 2014 6:32:41 GMT
Hi Peter, Thanks for the notification! It raise my eyebrows a little when I saw it yesterday first on the other site and not here Charlie, Great news, now the unit is in it last development stage!!! Is it still the intention that, as a start...there just 100 units will be build and available? If so,will it be one a person...I ask this, because I'm on the list for 2 units Is the power-supply sorted out for Europe, or have we to buy them ourself locally? Cheers Rob
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Post by rogerbayliss on Aug 23, 2014 11:04:30 GMT
I recall Amanda who repairs Meazzi tspe echos often telling me about the prototype demo at the meeting organised by Charlie last year and she said it was spot on and could not tell the difference between the two so that means we are in for a treat when it finally comes to fruition. Best wishes with the launch Charlie and John hope it sells well.
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Post by Charlie Hall on Aug 23, 2014 11:46:33 GMT
Hi Steve, I saw a thread about it, so I guess that's what you are referring to.
Hi Rob, I think the first production run will be for 100 units. It is very likely that the manufacturer will be selling the unit direct and I suppose they would sell to whoever orders first. I think the power supply will be the same as the UK one but with an adaptor for Europe.
Hi Roger, Thanks for your comments. Did you mean Amanda told you last year? The event was in 2011!
Regards, Charlie
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Post by meladdison on Aug 23, 2014 12:49:36 GMT
Hi Peter, Thanks for your comments. Always useful to hear things we couldn't really say ourselves. Hi Karl, I had to laugh. I imagined the Hall & Collins echo on your Christmas dinner table on a plate next to the turkey! I can say that we are working to try to have the unit ready by December, but we cannot promise that just yet. Hi John, I hope you will be pleased with the unit when you hear it. Hi Bri, Thanks for your comments. As for the player at the meet, it's nothing new but fortunately quite rare. Fair enough if he genuinely thought what he said. Regards, Charlie Hi Charlie, Can't you feel the excitement growing - Christmas would be wonderful, soon after would still be great? Charlie, I know you have a considerable number of interested parties in your pre order book, but at the same time you must also wonder how many of us will take up the order when push comes to shove, however good the new unit is? With approximately only four or five months to go before production starts would you now be in a position to give an accurate figure regarding cost and would you also consider accepting say 50% deposits against the unit to help you accurately assess the starter numbers required. By so doing this would give you a better idea of numbers rather than just pick a random figure of 100 to start with, this would also reassure individuals who have placed deposits and give out a firmer feeling about their order, the manufacturer would also have a better idea of what is expected to begin with? Regards, Mel
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Post by asimmd on Aug 23, 2014 13:08:42 GMT
Hi Mel
As much as we trust Charlie and everything he does,people are not going to put deposits on something they have not seen or heard properly.
I understand your enthusiasm but the final price will also be a factor as to how many take up the echo,and until the final price has been announced I don't think deposits will be forthcoming.
Alan
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Post by harley on Aug 23, 2014 13:59:11 GMT
im sure those of us luck enough to have heard it in 2011 would be more than happy to put a deposit on it. when a prototype sounds that good, 3 years more development can only make it sound better
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Post by Charlie Hall on Aug 23, 2014 14:09:05 GMT
Hi Mel and Alan, I certainly do feel the excitement. We are going to do all we can to have the unit out before Christmas. I will probably not be in a position to take money from customers at any time as the unit is most likely going to be supplied direct from the manufacturer. The pricing is more or less sorted out bar a few small details. Still, it would be good to know out of the nearly 350 names I have on the list, how many of those are keen enough to actually purchase as soon as the unit becomes available, because it could give a much better idea of how many units to make in the first production run, although the purpose of the list was always to let those on the list know when I have a price and release date, nothing more. It would not be realistic to expect all of those to go ahead and purchase straight away. To be on the safe side, the first batch will probably be around 100 pieces, as I mentioned in an earlier post. Regards, Charlie
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Post by rogerbayliss on Aug 23, 2014 14:12:12 GMT
Hi Roger, Thanks for your comments. Did you mean Amanda told you last year? The event was in 2011! Regards, Charlie LOL Charlie , yes loosing track of time mate..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2014 14:16:48 GMT
Hi Charlie, do you have any idea of the price yet Charlie?
Regards, Jim
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Post by Charlie Hall on Aug 23, 2014 14:26:47 GMT
Hi Jim, Not exactly, but around £600. If manufacturing costs increase then the price will have to increase too. The price will always be kept as low as possible. Regards, Charlie
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Post by asimmd on Aug 23, 2014 15:14:39 GMT
Hi Charlie
Nice to know the moment is getting closer.
Will there be pictures and more sound demos before we have to commit to buying.
Will the echo sound the same regardless of which Amp it is used with?
And i think i have asked before,will i be able to D.I.it?
Alan
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Post by Charlie Hall on Aug 23, 2014 15:46:46 GMT
Hi Alan, Yes, there will be pictures and sound demoes. Links to these will be given when they are ready. The echo sound would change along with the dry signal, depending on the amp and its settings, just as with any old echo unit. The Hall & Collins has no amp modelling so it all depends on the amp and guitar. It does process the input signal in much the same way as a Meazzi Echomatic 2 did/does. The output impedance will be quite low, so it should work as an interface for DI, although the signal level coming out of it is intended to approximately match the signal level coming into it from the guitar. Regards, Charlie
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Post by bor64 on Aug 23, 2014 15:57:09 GMT
Chalie,
Thanks for your reply!
My only concerns is, is the manufacture based in Europe or outside? Because that darn vat and extra will kill the price....that's why there are not a lot of that a aussie unit in Europe.
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Post by milko on Aug 23, 2014 16:30:53 GMT
Hi y'all ! and Charlie in particular ........... Q I have EFTP on 3 different units, a Zoom 2002, a Quad Plus, and a Quad Q2. They are all a bit different from each other; but all superb. The Q2 is obviously the best of the bunch. HOWEVER, I am definitely going to buy one of the new Hall & Collins machines. They sound the absolute business! I was lucky enough to meet Charlie a couple of years ago, when he programmed my Q2, at his house. His technical and musical expertise was matched by his kindliness, and his hospitality. A real gentleman. SO, I don't think there is any reason to doubt his confidence in this fantastic new machine! SO Charlie, A BIG WELL DONE!! I have a feeling that those first 100 units will be in stock for about 30 seconds! I know I'm on the list. Please consider that a DEFINITE ORDER now. Many thanks Charlie! Milko
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Post by Charlie Hall on Aug 23, 2014 16:53:25 GMT
Hi Rob, The manufacturer is in the UK. The price will include VAT. I don't know what happens when they supply to other EU countries. I will try to find out.
Hi Milko, Thanks for your comments. I have modified the list so I know you want one, thanks.
Regards, Charlie
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2014 17:37:39 GMT
Thanks Charlie.....
Jim
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Post by pedro36 on Aug 23, 2014 18:19:54 GMT
Please upgrade my interest in the Hall and Collins Echo to a definite order. Good luck with the final stages of design.
Peter
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Post by Charlie Hall on Aug 23, 2014 20:08:49 GMT
Hi Peter, Thank you. While I will not be able to process an order if sales are going to be direct from the manufacturer, I have noted it on my list. Regards, Charlie
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Post by meladdison on Aug 23, 2014 20:32:52 GMT
im sure those of us luck enough to have heard it in 2011 would be more than happy to put a deposit on it. when a prototype sounds that good, 3 years more development can only make it sound better Well that's two of us! Regards, Mel
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Post by meladdison on Aug 23, 2014 20:52:19 GMT
Hi Mel As much as we trust Charlie and everything he does,people are not going to put deposits on something they have not seen or heard properly. I understand your enthusiasm but the final price will also be a factor as to how many take up the echo,and until the final price has been announced I don't think deposits will be forthcoming. Alan Hi Alan, Thanks for your thoughts, I too trust Charlie and *** completely, that is the reason I am more than happy to give a substantial deposit up front, personally I have always found C & R more than helpful, completely genuine and always wishing to provide the highest standard of service possible. If I were to have something made for me outside of the music industry I would expect to be asked for a deposit, I don't see this as any different. My concern is that if Charlie requests 100 units to be made and my name is on 101 I would be more than disappointed. I would much rather pay up front and guarantee my purchase. I do appreciate we are not all going to feel the same. Regards, Mel
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Post by meladdison on Aug 23, 2014 21:03:14 GMT
Hi Mel and Alan, I certainly do feel the excitement. We are going to do all we can to have the unit out before Christmas. I will probably not be in a position to take money from customers at any time as the unit is most likely going to be supplied direct from the manufacturer. The pricing is more or less sorted out bar a few small details. Still, it would be good to know out of the nearly 350 names I have on the list, how many of those are keen enough to actually purchase as soon as the unit becomes available, because it could give a much better idea of how many units to make in the first production run, although the purpose of the list was always to let those on the list know when I have a price and release date, nothing more. It would not be realistic to expect all of those to go ahead and purchase straight away. To be on the safe side, the first batch will probably be around 100 pieces, as I mentioned in an earlier post. Regards, Charlie Hi Charlie, You will have seen my previous posts regarding deposits, what do individuals need to do to ensure they are one of the first 100, I would not like to think my number was 101? Regards, Mel
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Post by bor64 on Aug 23, 2014 21:14:44 GMT
Hi Charlie,
Would you please be so kind to upgrade my interest in the Hall and Collins Echo to a definite order/status for 2 units! I won't mind to send a deposit! Thanks!
Rob
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Post by Charlie Hall on Aug 23, 2014 22:00:18 GMT
Hi Mel, I have been thinking about the level of interest. I haven't yet counted the number of people on my list who have said they definitely want one(or more than one) but I am fairly sure it is far less than 100. I think the best thing will be for everyone who definitely wants one (who has not let me know this before) to let me know as soon as possible so I can then pass the info on to the manufacturer. Then they can probably consider increasing the first run quantity if they need to.
Hi Rob, I have you down for two units already, but I have added that you definitely want them!
Regards, Charlie
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Post by Charlie Hall on Aug 23, 2014 22:19:37 GMT
Hi Steve, I am not sure what you mean. I will explain what Peter meant anyway. Each echo unit type that is included in the unit will get its own set of EQ curves and wow and flutter settings (for the echo part of the signal) in the patch programming. These settings will be hidden from the user to keep the unit easy to program and operate. The dry signal does not have EQ at all except for the Meazzi type analogue EQ that is in the preamp which remains constant (except that the dry level amount depends on the Dry Level user setting by one of the 5 knobs). Some of the patches still have "borrowed" EQ settings from other echo units types that we have completely finished writing patches for, so these unfinished patches have yet to have their own EQ settings applied. As an example I am writing the RE 301 patches tonight. John has written some with some basic settings and has used the Echomatic 2 EQ settings until I let John know the EQ settings to apply for the RE301. This is what Peter meant by "some programs have yet to be finally "EQ'ed". At the moment the RE 301 patches don't sound very much like an RE 301 because the RE 301 has more highs and lows in the echo part of the signal. There are also some other patches that are unfinished in this way. Regards, Charlie
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Post by Steve Reynolds on Aug 24, 2014 6:43:18 GMT
Hi Charlie
Definate order from me please
Thanks
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