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Post by tedw on Sept 17, 2014 8:03:19 GMT
Has anyone checked out this pedal - and especially the patches created on the associated Tone Central site, where there is a set of about 14 Shads related sounds? The echoes are of course nowhere near as accurate as Charlie's EFTP efforts, but nevertheless quite credible and the overall tones are pretty accurate to the songs they were modelled on.
The ME-80 is a significant advance on its predecessors, and one always feels fairly safe with a rugged Boss pedal underfoot!
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Post by murraysanders on Sept 17, 2014 8:22:38 GMT
I bought one about 3 months ago , the shads sounds are ok , but if you play at volume in a band the sound get lost in the mix and sucks tone out of your amp , I have an ME50 I bought new when they first came out , it sounds much better live , The sounds Josh Mundy gets out of it on Utube sound great though monitors when it is mixed evenly with backing tracks , but through my deluxe reverb it sucks tone and the amp sounds much better without it , and if you want the cabinet patch's you have to insert a 3mm plug in the ear phone jack , if you play directly into the PA you have to insert the jack to get any descent tone , probably sell mine , not that impressed , and charlie's patch's sound better through my magic stomp , best regards Murray.
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Post by tedw on Sept 17, 2014 16:59:33 GMT
Murray,
That is very interesting because I too have a de Luxe Reverb and love the sound. Almost too pure to adulterate with any pedals!
However, if you were putting a multi effects pedal like the ME-80 in front, surely you would switch off the pedal's pre-amp? OK the end result might be more Fenderish than Vox but I would have thought the sound would still be fairly impressive?
By recollection, the ME-50 had a fairly basic pre-amp section that could easily be switched off (and usually was) I imagine that the ME-80 would have something similar because there appears to be the ability to edit patches and switch in and out the various effects?
The earlier Boss pedals only had a single echo tap, the Korg equivalents - and indeed the Vox AD60 had a multi tap that was OK but rather limited. Charlie worked some instant wizardry in front of me several years ago and programmed a Tonelab SE before my eyes - I think the patches are still somewhere on this site. I always found the Tonelab a bit "dark" for live performance - it certainly sucked tone.
The attraction of the Boss ME-80 is that technology has moved on considerably, Boss is renowned ruggedness and simplicity of operation, plus the ME-80 appears to have the facility to use 3 different echo taps at once which gives a fair bit of flexibility.
Ted
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Post by murraysanders on Sept 18, 2014 10:32:19 GMT
Hello Ted , Yes it has a lot of bells and whistles on it , the freeze is pretty impressive and at low volumes the pedal sounds pretty good , I don't use pedal pre-amps at all although the ME80 has one which is foot switchable , at higher live volumes I didn't like it , sounds like you've talked yourself into buying one , I only paid $275 AUS for mine , they are a very cheap pedal , if you don't like it you won't lose a lot . best regards Murray.
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Post by Charlie Hall on Sept 18, 2014 12:09:10 GMT
There seems to be a lot of people talking themselves into anything non EFTP these days!
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Post by Charlie Hall on Sept 18, 2014 12:11:28 GMT
Even on my site!
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Post by mojolomjl on Sept 18, 2014 15:16:54 GMT
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Post by Rick on Sept 18, 2014 19:27:48 GMT
Lol Charlie !
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Post by Charlie Hall on Sept 18, 2014 19:30:59 GMT
Hi Maurice and Rick,
You are both welcome to discuss this in private with me if you want, by PM or email charliehallATntlworld.com (replacing AT with @).
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by tedw on Sept 18, 2014 20:07:14 GMT
Charlie, you are absolutely irreplaceable, and in my defence I did observe that the Boss pedal is no match for EFTP - As you will know I already have your programmes for Zoom 508,G2, G9 and Magic Stomp quite aside from your instant programming of the Tonelab!.
However sometimes it is useful to have a multi effects pedal or a pedal board when playing diverse covers or even original stuff - An evening of Shads does not fit everywhere!
Besides, whilst I admire those folk who aspire to get as close as possible to Hank's (recorded) sounds I am old enough to remember when they were playing live with Cliff using an "on stage" echo unit (Joe Brown's?), before programming, and in all probability without a road crew of any size or skill. Bruce was allegedly obsessed with tuning issues, and as far as I can recall Hank didn't bother to change his echo settings that much and certainly not for every number. Still sounded crikey good and just like Hank!
Loyally yours Ted
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Post by Rick on Sept 18, 2014 21:10:01 GMT
Aw Charlie,I was simply amused by your reply,thats all.Best wishes,Rick.
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Post by Charlie Hall on Sept 18, 2014 23:44:56 GMT
Hi Ted,
Thanks for your reply.
I appreciate your comments about my work, and I see your point about a multi effects unit being useful to cover many styles as I have taken the simple approach more than once too.
Therefore I am going to move the Tonelab thread to a hidden area. I am done with offering free stuff only to end up seeing everything I try to do to help being used against me.
I have a feeling some people, not necessarily members here, have got it in for me one way or another, and I don't think I deserve it.
Please do understand that this is not directed solely or even mainly at you, it is simply the time I have decided enough is enough.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by Charlie Hall on Sept 19, 2014 23:14:31 GMT
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that no one has added any post to this thread since my last post. Hi Rick, I'm sure you know I wasn't trying to be funny, and I don't mind that you were amused anyway.  Regards, Charlie |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 8:09:36 GMT
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that no one has added any post to this thread since my last post. Hi Rick, I'm sure you know I wasn't trying to be funny, and I don't mind that you were amused anyway. Regards, Charlie Hi Charlie, I realise I am a newby here, but I would like to say that I have Never felt anyone had anything but the greatest respect for You, and what you have achieved. Very best regards, Duncan. |
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Post by kipper on Sept 20, 2014 10:26:14 GMT
Hi Ted, Thanks for your reply. I appreciate your comments about my work, and I see your point about a multi effects unit being useful to cover many styles as I have taken the simple approach more than once too. Therefore I am going to move the Tonelab thread to a hidden area. I am done with offering free stuff only to end up seeing everything I try to do to help being used against me. I have a feeling some people, not necessarily members here, have got it in for me one way or another, and I don't think I deserve it. Please do understand that this is not directed solely or even mainly at you, it is simply the time I have decided enough is enough. Regards, Charlie hi charlie just a message of support really, i dont now about any history to this thread, but do agree there have been a couple knockers on other sites (or site) but they are very few in number one maybe two that i`m sure you know about. i am 100% certain that you held in high regard and respect by the vast majority of members here and other sites. as always you have my support. peter |
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Post by Charlie Hall on Sept 20, 2014 18:16:11 GMT
Hi Duncan and Peter,
Thank you both for your support.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by tedw on Sept 22, 2014 9:42:19 GMT
Hi Charlie,
I suppose I started this thread so I shall try to finish it! There is no doubt in my mind that EFTP is the best thing going for recreating Hank's sounds and I have therefore purchased several programmes from you over the years for different gear and I think it is only right that you should be properly remunerated for your massive efforts from the old Zoom 508 to date. Your programming of the Tonelab was of course a one off, and I totally concur that it should be removed from free access. There is no doubt that some people have taken advantage of your efforts and perhaps some have even rebadged them and I think that is quite appalling although I guess plagiarism is the greatest (although unwanted) form of flattery!
My enquiry about the Boss ME-80 pedal was genuinely because I do sometimes play in bands with differing styles and that pedal appears to offer a good deal of flexibility, including the possibility o a reasonable take on the inevitable Apache which seems to be about all that the mass of Joe Public remembers or at least, requests. Sad I know. You can rest assured that my EFTP charged Magic Stomp and G9 will continue to be used by myself alot unless and until I can persuade "her indoors" that I really do need your new pedal!
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Post by Charlie Hall on Sept 23, 2014 17:01:51 GMT
Hi Peter,
One of the knockers on another site joined here a while back probably thinking I wouldn't know who he was. I allowed him in just to see what he wanted. Sure enough he asked a question about speaker impedances which I answered. He posted a message of thanks. I later deleted his account. See, he will knock me publicly, but will still take anything he can get from me!
Not many people may know this, but the same knocker posted a message of support to a known EFTP pirate on a site called GetPayback. He probably thinks I haven't seen it. Anyone who supports such things is scum in my view. I see certain people like to mention his name here too. Well, these things don't go unnoticed by me. This is why I seem unpredictable at times.
Hi Ted,
Thanks for your further reply.
Part of what I said above is relevent to what you said.
I agree about the ruggedness of Boss equipment but always thought they don't quite hit the mark every time. My Boss BE-5 is one of the pieces of equipment I have owned the longest. I have modified all 4 of its effects quite recently and each effect is now in a different league to what it ever was before.
One of the things that motivated me with the new echo is that it will not be possible for anyone to rip it off. This is why I have lost a lot of interest in other units, especially those that will not even do as good a job as those that have been used for EFTP. So you can blame the pirates for that if you want.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by meladdison on Sept 23, 2014 17:16:51 GMT
Well said Charlie,
Unpredictable - not you Sir - I would say very PREDICTABLE.
Regards, Mel
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Post by Charlie Hall on Sept 23, 2014 17:34:29 GMT
Thanks Mel,
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by istvan on Sept 24, 2014 6:15:50 GMT
Hi Charlie!
This is what I told to you.
Quality is on your-our side:EFTP!
Regards
istvan
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Post by tedw on Sept 24, 2014 8:48:05 GMT
Well said Istvan - we can all agree on that! Charlie is a genius and I do hope that the new echo unit will sell well enough to make him the fortune he deserves for catering for all of us over all these years.
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Post by Charlie Hall on Sept 24, 2014 14:41:18 GMT
Hi Istvan and Ted,
Thanks to both of you for your comments.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by jazz on Sept 25, 2014 10:27:49 GMT
hi this is my first post so I hope I am in the right place I jest received a zoomG2.1u with eftp installed from a trusted dealer from the well known auction site I have e-mailed *** to get the licence and paperwork I regard Charlie very highly.
regards jass
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Post by Charlie Hall on Sept 25, 2014 17:11:52 GMT
Hi Jass,
Welcome to the site and thanks for your comments.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by bor64 on Sept 25, 2014 19:13:53 GMT
No worries Charlie,lot's of people knows who that knocker is, and he's often recognized with his remarks on other sites.
On other sites it's sometimes like the ol' schoolyard adagio, loudmouth and cronies.....
The downfall is mostly really for the cronies because when the loudmouth bought something (like when the Gretsch myth was on it's peek)the cronies will buy it too...When he moved on to the other favor of the month equipment the cronies can not always follow and get stuck with last favor gear of the month...
Pity some bystanders sometimes will go also after that temporarily in the spotlight gear....because the schoolyard club bought it....
Charlie without you Hank and most of his fans would play still equipment half as good....
People who say that (without you) they had the same idea to program those units back then are simply try to jump the bandwagon and try to look smart....
Myself I have up-most highest admiration for your work and as a person, the length you go for your eftp customers/friends is of the highest level.
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Post by Charlie Hall on Sept 25, 2014 20:27:04 GMT
Hi Rob,
Thank you for your comments, it is much appreciated.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by strat21 on Sept 26, 2014 17:26:53 GMT
HI Charlie,Did you ever do any any programmes for Rolands Gt 6 or 8.I have tried both of these units,and like them as they are very rugged and suit a group environment because of it alongside there good reliability.If you did could you make the programmes available,as per your existing products.Also,you explained once how you recorded a Buddy Holy tune,and I thought that the vocal sound was excellent.Could you not programme some Vocal patches for the Zooms,Alesis ect ect,as I us a G7 for vocal effects sometimes ,but with mixed results,as obviously my skills are nowhere near yours on this subject.It might just open up a new revenue source ,and could be of great use to those of us still play live a bit .Reguards Strat21
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Post by Charlie Hall on Sept 26, 2014 18:02:53 GMT
Hi Strat21,
I never programmed any Roland units that I can remember.
Thanks for your comments about the Buddy Holly number. I think contributions from members about compressor and reverb settings might be more useful than fixed patches. I usually like to use around 4:1 compression ratio and pre-delay of around 100ms on the reverb.
Regards,
Charlie
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