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Post by rogerbayliss on Sept 28, 2014 20:50:11 GMT
Well I think this could be a great add on to recording and live playing adding 'Warmth and wobble' ala Tape. Looks cool watch the videos. Does vintage flanging . chorus and slapback as well as simulating tape saturation and warm transparent overdrive. I think this could help in our sound quests !!!!!!! Help !!!!!  www.strymon.net/deco/ |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2014 22:14:28 GMT
Roger
Seems a great pedal thanks for the heads up.
George
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Post by somebodyelseuk on Sept 29, 2014 9:08:46 GMT
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Post by baz on Sept 29, 2014 14:23:27 GMT
Hi Rog.....the lead guitarist in my band has two Strymon pedals. They are eye-wateringly expensive but phenominal pieces of kit....... he paid over £400 for the reverb pedal alone.   These demos suggest the Deco and Capistan units are of the same order. Baz |
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Post by rogerbayliss on Sept 29, 2014 21:05:24 GMT
I was thinking about the tape saturation effect for recording . Itchycoo park anybody ! At last a pedal that simulates real tape saturation and overdrive plus chorus and flanging as well as slap echo and more.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 14:30:27 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 14:34:59 GMT
hi roger, the el capistan pedal sounds and looks great, assume this would be great for shadows stuff. the el capistan is £249 from andertons they also do a faverite footswitch £ 59 which stores your settings plugs into the pedal you can have this next to the pedal or further away with a longer lead phil
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Post by rogerbayliss on Sept 30, 2014 16:06:37 GMT
Yes the El Capistan is a great echo but the multi tap is not up to the Shads sound. This thread is about the New DECO pedal which sounds fabulous though and they are priced at around £250 which is a bit steep but they are great pedals.
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Post by rogerbayliss on Sept 30, 2014 23:09:02 GMT
Steve the Deco pedal can be incorporated with any pedal you just need to put it in your pedal chain possibly towards the last in line. I think this pedal could give modern digital recordings the right level of warmth and saturation so often missing. It effectively mimics the old style engineers in the studio and how they worked tape reels to get the early sounds. Tape saturation = warmth ...
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Post by somebodyelseuk on Oct 2, 2014 8:55:53 GMT
Steve the Deco pedal can be incorporated with any pedal you just need to put it in your pedal chain possibly towards the last in line. I think this pedal could give modern digital recordings the right level of warmth and saturation so often missing. It effectively mimics the old style engineers in the studio and how they worked tape reels to get the early sounds. Tape saturation = warmth ... I think in this situation, you're better off using a plugin. Problem with this unit, or more accurately, using it for that purpose, is that you can only apply it to one track at a time 'going in', whereas it should be used over the whole mix. It NEEDS to be the absolute last process, otherwise the effect will be compromised by any and all processing and editing. If it has stereo input and output, you could use it as a send effect, but then you could get the real thing sending out (and back) through a tape deck. If you were to use it going in on each track you record, you will inevitably end up with mis-matches of saturation level (volume), which will sound unnatural, as it will if you use it just on the guitar against a clinically 'clean' backing track. I can see the value of using it directly after a digital delay/echo (so long as the delay's not tape echo sim) to simulate the saturation of a tape echo unit on a guitar signal, but I'm afraid I'm with Steve on this one. I think it's another overhyped, overpriced gimmick. |
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Post by garystrat on Oct 2, 2014 9:50:48 GMT
Hi Julian Whilst I can understand where you're coming from, surely this is designed/capable of performing certain effects and warmth that would be present on vintage tape/tube echo units, which would be naturally occurring as part of the studio pre-recording process? There is a free Vacuumsound ADT plug-in that I have found useful to thicken the sound and provide other useful characteristics: www.vacuumsound.de/plugins.htmlRegards Gary |
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Post by rogerbayliss on Oct 2, 2014 11:29:25 GMT
Thanks for your thoughts Julian. However the sound demos do seem to demonstrate a very capable device and in hardware form of which there are not many such things around. Personally I like the whole idea, not just the saturation aspect, but also the Flanging /Chorus/delay modelled on real tape effects done in the studio as in the old days.
I am sure you are right about using a plug-in too, but I cannot see why this pedal would not also deliver in recording aspects anyway. Each track would be saturated etc and as usual your ears would be the judge.
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Post by rogerbayliss on Oct 2, 2014 15:51:13 GMT
Yes I shall be Steve in due course very interested.
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Post by rogerbayliss on Nov 5, 2014 15:37:48 GMT
Well I have bought a Strymon Deco pedal and I gave it a run today to see what it could do for the Shadows sound.
I connected it to the front end of my POD HD bean with guitar into the Deco. I played around with he saturation side of the pedal first and there was a noticeable increase in warmth and depth of tone even at low levels of saturation. The sounds were more up front and fatter and fuller sounding and in my view more reminiscent of the record sound when saturation is added via this pedal. Very pleasing and removes any thinness in the guitar sound and seems to level it out as well.
I then used the second part of the pedal and quickly found that the Magnetic Doubling effect worked really well and also automatic double tracking type of effects are also there. So I played Foot Tapper and doubled it with the pedal. I was quite pleased with this effect and had a great Foot Tapper sound as a result. I also tried thickening the sound of say Wonderful Land by reducing the time a little and making a few adjustments and it seemed to do wonders with WL adding in saturation and thickening the sound as well. It kinda warbles as well when the wobble control is used. Adds a vintage flavour to the sound with minor tweaks to get the right sort of effect.
It does a great chorus effect and a tape flanging effect which subtle. I could see the Chorus effect being useful.
So what this pedal does overall is boosts and thickens the sound and even double tracks. I think used live it would enhance you guitar sound and get rid of a lot of shrillness and excessive bite and fill out your sound. It is quite subtle in use not over the top and completely tweakable. If you hate the shrillness of your guitar rig at times this will tame it and it would work well in a live situation. Of course it can also be used in the studio too for you latest attempt at 'That Sound' It will make you recorded tone more lush and fuller and fatter and bring something to the table.
I know there are Plugins available for this type of sound such as the J37 Plugin, but this is a pedal and you can put it in your live sound folks. The saturation could be used all the time and you can if you want switch the doubling side in as needed. Two pedals in one !
Could it be done another way ? Yes perhaps with a clean boost pedal and a chorus pedal/ delay pedal with the right features you might be able to get something along these lines. However this pedal does it really well and despite the price tag I am happy that it brings something I can use.
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Post by martyn on Nov 5, 2014 18:20:20 GMT
Hi Roger,
I'd be very interested to hear a before/after comparison - would it be possible to record a sample piece demonstrating its effects on the sound as you described?
I think many of us here would be keen to hear how it works and I like the idea of a pedal rather than a plugin for the very reasons you gave - it works for live playing as well as home recording.
Cheers,
Martyn
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Post by rogerbayliss on Nov 5, 2014 23:25:29 GMT
Noted Martyn I will have to see if I can do something to demonstrate the sound with it on and with it off. I did try warming up an old recording of Peace Pipe I had and it did a good job of warming it up. I realised the bottom end was a bit more lush and warm on the original than mine and that was down to how I recorded it a few years back. The pedal obviously cannot put the bottom end in I had missing but it certainly worked to warm and saturate the sound overall and I improved the sound of that recording as a result. Whilst this footswitch adds warmth and saturation it should be noted that Abbey Rd used valve desks / mic pre and the Fairchild compressor probably also added to the warmth they got. When I compared my re record to the original I had got a step or two nearer the original. So it does help ! Bear with me I will see if I can do another recording and an a/b comparison in due course.
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Post by martyn on Nov 5, 2014 23:47:38 GMT
OK - look forward to it.
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Post by philc on Nov 6, 2014 7:52:53 GMT
Looks like a great piece of kit Roger, but as was mentioned, only one in, so a bit iffy for stereo mixes.
Phil
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Post by rogerbayliss on Nov 6, 2014 10:40:59 GMT
Hi Phil here is the spec off the Strymon website and states a jumper enables stereo jack reconfig for input. Hope that helps.
This pedal overall provides relatively subtle changes to the tones that make a difference to the tone / output of the guitar and it mimics the basic way studios manipulated sounds in the early days. I think the saturation and the doubling/thickening effect are amongst the most useful for the Shadows sound. Ideal for live doubletracking as done on say Foot Tapper but you can thicken any tune with careful choice of settings.
heres the strymon details...
•High impedance mono input (internal jumper enables selectable TRS stereo input)
•Stereo output
•Two signal routing modes: Standard, Wide Stereo Mode
•Individual Tape Saturation Bypass and Doubletracker Bypass footswitches
•Expression pedal input allows the connection of either an expression pedal (for selectable control over any knob parameter), external tap pedal (for remote time control of Doubletracker), or Favorite switch (to save a Favorite preset)
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Post by rogerbayliss on Nov 6, 2014 11:10:41 GMT
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Post by philc on Nov 6, 2014 11:31:52 GMT
Thanks Roger.
I actualy watched that video this morning, the tape saturation for example is very subtle but can also be extreme, I don't remember, or I might have missed whether wow & flutter was demo'd.
I have saturation and W&F with Logic Pro, I remember using it a few years ago but I'll have to check it out again to see how acurate it is.
Phil
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Post by rogerbayliss on Nov 6, 2014 16:22:37 GMT
I just found out there is also a Normal Guitar mode and a Studio mode which is configured by holding both bypass switches and powering up and then turning one of the knobs fully clockwise or counter clockwise. There is a manual on the Strymon site for info. I think the wobble on this is different to wow and flutter type tape echos and you can only have the wobble on with the effects. Maybe possible but do not think so at moment.
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Just watched the video again and he puts the blend knob fully CW and adds wobble and gets the wobbling effect. Maybe not quite same as Wow and flutter but can do this.
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