Post by Kevin on Oct 27, 2008 20:22:29 GMT
From: MSN Nicknamehoadlies (Original Message) Sent: 04/03/2008 22:49
HI TO ALL ,I have just listend to pauls version of ''ATLANTIS'' [tvs site] it is so good on the muted parts very clean &defined & this I feel is the hardest sound to get right,this to meit is thesound that has captivated me all those years ago,,''ie'' piece pipe,the girls ,etc ,etc ,paul's sound is in my opinion rates up there with peter-korvings& that is the best rendition I have heard so far a real achievment for both of them using different types of equippment,there is nothing like enhancing that sound over the original & they have in my opinion have done that..CHEERS aussie barry..
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From: MSN Nicknamehoadlies Sent: 05/03/2008 02:27
PS Iforgot to say peters version onthe non muted sounds is more mellow & abit less aggressive & a wee bit less attack than paul's but still sooooo good anyway charlie cheers again barry...
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From: MSN NicknameKipper4197 Sent: 05/03/2008 06:30
nice to here from you barry where you been?, its been quiet around here without you. welcome back. peter
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From: MSN NicknameKipper4197 Sent: 05/03/2008 06:32
by the way dave or robbo posts on the shadows music site. peter
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From: MSN Nicknamealcapone995 Sent: 05/03/2008 10:13
hi,guy's i am a recent new member to charlies and i must say there is a wealth of suberb information from everybody its a pleasure to be a member,but my question is the backing tracks on the tvs site, how have they got the backing tracks to sound so much like the originals,and will they be available to buy.kind regards.fred.
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From: MSN Nicknamehoadlies Sent: 05/03/2008 10:40
HI peter ,, Ive been welding for somebody on a 47 ft yaught,not that Ilike it ,but to further my re-born hobbie the money helps me at 68 years old I find the welding ,in the heat & crawling around is abit much ,but the things we do to get an extra quid,, I have all the components to build up my AC50 clone chassis &have today ordered a vintage aussie-made 12'' speaker,made to 50's-60s spec's?
I will be home now for 4 weeks & should get it built ,we are in for 2 weeks of very hot weather here in STH aust. enought winging on my part ,,,CHEERS aussie barry..
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From: MSN Nickname5tratocaster Sent: 05/03/2008 11:13
Fred,
I am told by Spike that Paul used the original Shadows recordings and 'removed' Hank electronically using a feature of Cool Edit Pro (or Adobe Audition as it has now become).
I asked whether it would be possible to get hold of copies, but because they are using them to promote the TVS, they won't release them.
I have just got a copy of Adobe Audition 1.5 and haven't yet found a successful way to replicate what Spike and Co have done.
If anyone out there has achieved it, would you mind sharing what settings you used please?
Geoff
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From: MSN Nicknamealcapone995 Sent: 05/03/2008 11:26
thanks Geoff for the good information.regards.fred.
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From: Charlie Hall Sent: 05/03/2008 13:18
The basic way to remove the centre instruments of a stereo image is to reverse the phase of one of the stereo pair of tracks and balance the 2 tracks to cancel completely the exact point in the image. A plug in may be required for this. The result would have to be a mono track so mixdown of the stereo pair must be in mono. Leaving it in stereo would not cancel the required parts.
This process is not very effective with modern stereo mixes because the bass and some drums (usually at least the bass drum) are usually in the centre of the mix, therefore the process would also cancel out these parts, unless EQ is introduced to unbalance the bass below say around 80Hz (for example to boost the bass on one track and reduce it on the other) so that bass frequencies are not cancelled, while leaving higher frequencies alone. It works well on the early stereo mixes because usually the backing instruments are panned left and right, with the main instrument in the centre.
I have heard of a more effective system that can do it better but I don't have any useful information.
Regards,
Charlie
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From: MSN NicknameSpikeH1 Sent: 05/03/2008 23:19
Hi Geoff
When I removed Hank from the original, it not only took out Hank but also most of the string and rhythm section. At this stage it was a useless BT. Gary had to put back a lot via his software which included the strings and triangles. Paul added a bit more bass also. It took ages to complete. We found that for Atlantis, I could remove Hank more so than others because of the different versions of that track.
What I'm saying is that it depends on the version of Atlantis you have, that may allow you to remove Hank and not leave any traces. This however comes at a cost of losing most of the track, so it needs to be compensated for what was taken out. Its not easy. On some shads tracks I cant do it and thus go to UB Hank.
The reason we dont give out this track is because it may end up on the well known auction site.
BTW: Thanks Charlie for your support on Paul's sound file. Your comments are highly respected.
Spike
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From: Charlie Hall Sent: 05/03/2008 23:41
Hi Spike,
Thanks for replying. I might be hard to please but I'm always ready to speak the truth!
Regards,
Charlie
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From: MSN Nicknameemiel1948 Sent: 06/03/2008 04:25
Hi,
Where can I find the soundfile of Atlantis?
Thanks.
Cheers,
Emiel
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From: MSN Nicknameemiel1948 Sent: 06/03/2008 04:28
Sorry,
I missed message 6.
Cheers,
Emiel
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From: MSN NicknameFenderplucker Sent: 06/03/2008 13:02
Hi Emiel,
The soundfile is on the jukebox at www.tvsspecialtyproducts.com
Regards,
Paul.
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From: MSN NicknameSpikeH1 Sent: 07/03/2008 03:41
Thanks Charlie!!
Spike
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From: MSN Nicknameemiel1948 Sent: 07/03/2008 04:34
Hi Paul,
Thanks!
Cheers,
Emiel
HI TO ALL ,I have just listend to pauls version of ''ATLANTIS'' [tvs site] it is so good on the muted parts very clean &defined & this I feel is the hardest sound to get right,this to meit is thesound that has captivated me all those years ago,,''ie'' piece pipe,the girls ,etc ,etc ,paul's sound is in my opinion rates up there with peter-korvings& that is the best rendition I have heard so far a real achievment for both of them using different types of equippment,there is nothing like enhancing that sound over the original & they have in my opinion have done that..CHEERS aussie barry..
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From: MSN Nicknamehoadlies Sent: 05/03/2008 02:27
PS Iforgot to say peters version onthe non muted sounds is more mellow & abit less aggressive & a wee bit less attack than paul's but still sooooo good anyway charlie cheers again barry...
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From: MSN NicknameKipper4197 Sent: 05/03/2008 06:30
nice to here from you barry where you been?, its been quiet around here without you. welcome back. peter
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From: MSN NicknameKipper4197 Sent: 05/03/2008 06:32
by the way dave or robbo posts on the shadows music site. peter
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From: MSN Nicknamealcapone995 Sent: 05/03/2008 10:13
hi,guy's i am a recent new member to charlies and i must say there is a wealth of suberb information from everybody its a pleasure to be a member,but my question is the backing tracks on the tvs site, how have they got the backing tracks to sound so much like the originals,and will they be available to buy.kind regards.fred.
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From: MSN Nicknamehoadlies Sent: 05/03/2008 10:40
HI peter ,, Ive been welding for somebody on a 47 ft yaught,not that Ilike it ,but to further my re-born hobbie the money helps me at 68 years old I find the welding ,in the heat & crawling around is abit much ,but the things we do to get an extra quid,, I have all the components to build up my AC50 clone chassis &have today ordered a vintage aussie-made 12'' speaker,made to 50's-60s spec's?
I will be home now for 4 weeks & should get it built ,we are in for 2 weeks of very hot weather here in STH aust. enought winging on my part ,,,CHEERS aussie barry..Reply
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From: MSN Nickname5tratocaster Sent: 05/03/2008 11:13
Fred,
I am told by Spike that Paul used the original Shadows recordings and 'removed' Hank electronically using a feature of Cool Edit Pro (or Adobe Audition as it has now become).
I asked whether it would be possible to get hold of copies, but because they are using them to promote the TVS, they won't release them.
I have just got a copy of Adobe Audition 1.5 and haven't yet found a successful way to replicate what Spike and Co have done.
If anyone out there has achieved it, would you mind sharing what settings you used please?
Geoff
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From: MSN Nicknamealcapone995 Sent: 05/03/2008 11:26
thanks Geoff for the good information.regards.fred.
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From: Charlie Hall Sent: 05/03/2008 13:18
The basic way to remove the centre instruments of a stereo image is to reverse the phase of one of the stereo pair of tracks and balance the 2 tracks to cancel completely the exact point in the image. A plug in may be required for this. The result would have to be a mono track so mixdown of the stereo pair must be in mono. Leaving it in stereo would not cancel the required parts.
This process is not very effective with modern stereo mixes because the bass and some drums (usually at least the bass drum) are usually in the centre of the mix, therefore the process would also cancel out these parts, unless EQ is introduced to unbalance the bass below say around 80Hz (for example to boost the bass on one track and reduce it on the other) so that bass frequencies are not cancelled, while leaving higher frequencies alone. It works well on the early stereo mixes because usually the backing instruments are panned left and right, with the main instrument in the centre.
I have heard of a more effective system that can do it better but I don't have any useful information.
Regards,
Charlie
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From: MSN NicknameSpikeH1 Sent: 05/03/2008 23:19
Hi Geoff
When I removed Hank from the original, it not only took out Hank but also most of the string and rhythm section. At this stage it was a useless BT. Gary had to put back a lot via his software which included the strings and triangles. Paul added a bit more bass also. It took ages to complete. We found that for Atlantis, I could remove Hank more so than others because of the different versions of that track.
What I'm saying is that it depends on the version of Atlantis you have, that may allow you to remove Hank and not leave any traces. This however comes at a cost of losing most of the track, so it needs to be compensated for what was taken out. Its not easy. On some shads tracks I cant do it and thus go to UB Hank.
The reason we dont give out this track is because it may end up on the well known auction site.
BTW: Thanks Charlie for your support on Paul's sound file. Your comments are highly respected.
Spike
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From: Charlie Hall Sent: 05/03/2008 23:41
Hi Spike,
Thanks for replying. I might be hard to please but I'm always ready to speak the truth!
Regards,
Charlie
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From: MSN Nicknameemiel1948 Sent: 06/03/2008 04:25
Hi,
Where can I find the soundfile of Atlantis?
Thanks.
Cheers,
Emiel
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From: MSN Nicknameemiel1948 Sent: 06/03/2008 04:28
Sorry,
I missed message 6.
Cheers,
Emiel
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From: MSN NicknameFenderplucker Sent: 06/03/2008 13:02
Hi Emiel,
The soundfile is on the jukebox at www.tvsspecialtyproducts.com
Regards,
Paul.
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From: MSN NicknameSpikeH1 Sent: 07/03/2008 03:41
Thanks Charlie!!
Spike
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From: MSN Nicknameemiel1948 Sent: 07/03/2008 04:34
Hi Paul,
Thanks!
Cheers,
Emiel