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Post by jamesrydell on Jan 7, 2016 9:52:56 GMT
Hi and a Happy New Year to everyone from a newbie.
I have a Burns Marquee (white) and a Burns Bison 62 re-issue (black) however I have recently purchased a G&L Tribute Legacy in blue burst with maple fretboard. The guitar is really beautiful and I am really pleased with it however I would appreciate any advice regarding the base and treble settings on the guitar when playing shadows lead. It has seperate treble and base knobs and at the moment I have the treble wound all the way back and the base all the way up. I realise that settings could change from song to song but I am looking for a general setting that I can use all the time. I know that the 5 way pickup switch may have to be changed depending on the song.
I am playing into my Vox VX1 through my Zoom G2Nu (with EFTP) and again I am not entirely sure I have the amp settings correct. I currently have the treble at 12 o'clock (50%) and the base at 9 o'clock. I also tend to use the AC30 amp model on my Vox however I have read that some of the Shad stuff should/can be played with the AC30TB amp model. Any comments will be most welcome
I know that there is a lot of information on Charlie's site but I am hoping someone can give me a quick fix as I have joined the South Yorkshire Shadows Club and will be playing this coming Sunday.
Many Thanks
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Post by peterbower on Jan 7, 2016 11:25:25 GMT
James,
I'm sure you will get some good advice on this but here are my humble suggestions, firstly which Tribute model do you have is it the Tribute series with conventional single coil pick ups or the Tribute S-500 series with Magnetic Field pickups which I have and prefer. As for the Shads sound I set both my treble and base tone knobs about half way but not so much that the base tone knob robs you of definition if you see what I mean, and the selector switch in the middle position, it really will be a trial and error experiment till you get the sound you like mainly due to there being more tone options than a standard Strat, can be a bit daunting at first, but you will get there.
Peter
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Post by jamesrydell on Jan 7, 2016 11:44:27 GMT
Thanks for your reply Peter. I have the Tribute Legacy with single coil pickups which I understand have different tone to the s500 pickups. However I'll try your settings and see how I get on. Do you have any advice on the Vox VX1 settings?
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Post by peterbower on Jan 7, 2016 16:35:03 GMT
The G+L Legacy single coils are very much in the Fender camp for tone, the Magnetic Field pickups in the S-500 are in my view have a wider variety of tone options, but each to their own as they say, Sorry, no idea for the VOX settings, but i'm sure there are members who can advise you on this.
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Post by jamesrydell on Jan 15, 2016 9:31:35 GMT
Thanks Peter. I'll keep working on it.
I would like to know if any more of Charlie's Friends own a G&L guitar (in particular the Tribute Legacy) and what you think of it. Leo Fender considered G&L guitars and basses to be the masterpieces of his lifetime of creativity so come on guys, let me have your comments.
Dave
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Post by peterbower on Jan 15, 2016 14:46:55 GMT
Dave I have a few guitars, but my G+L S-500 Tribute Legacy stands out above more expensive Fenders (in my opinion), the neck is Satin finished 'c' shape modern profile with a Maple finger board radius between 9.5 and 11.0 so fairly flat ish but so easy to play on, I 'fluff' fewer notes on this guitar than others in my collection.The frets are so smooth to slide over being wider (Gibson ish) than the usual Medium Jumbo frets that seem to occupy most Fenders and Squire guitars these days, My fingers don't end up being painful. Some careful thought from Leo went into this guitar, no doubt about it. My S-500 model is a Honey see through Swamp Ash and the Trem block is stainless steel, even the knobs are metal instead of plastic. The pickups, and electrics are US G+L as is the trem unit, with push in arm and is torque adjustable. Its not cheap at over £500, but you can shop around for better deals. One word about the Legacy with normal single coils, a friend of mine has a US model Tribute Legacy and compared to my Fender 62 Reissue, sounds a tad bright, but you can tame that easily with EQ I'm so impressed with this guitar that I might look for a Rose wood finger board model with a coloured body.
Pete
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Post by rogerbayliss on Jan 15, 2016 17:49:20 GMT
I have a G&L Tribute S500 with ash body and maple neck. It is the most flexible S Type guitar I have ever owned with lots of tonal variations. I generally roll off some treble and put a little bit of bass back in from fully off and get great Shadows tones. More modern stuff I bring the bass up more. Depends on the pick up selected and the tune so vary to suit (use ears !) I opted for a set of 10's where strings are concerned on this guitar which seem to work better than 11's or 12's as the PU's are fuller sounding.
The thing to remember is that the treble control on G&Ls is usually 500K rather than the normal 250K for a strat. Due to this more treble comes through so roll that back with the bass fully off till you find it more like a strat then add bass if needed.
Additionally a treble bleed arrangement is used on the volume pot so backing off the volume does not work like a normal strat and you do not lose any highs rolling back to say 7 or 8 on volume.
I have a VX2 and I usually have the Vox AC30TB channel on with treble set 12 noon and bass around 9 or 10 '0' clock, the gain around 10 'o' clock. This my generic setting for live playing and I usually use an EQ pedal to finally shape my sound.
I have yet to hear a G&L Legacy used for Shadows music but it should really sound just like a strat as the PU's are pretty much vintage type.
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Post by peterbower on Jan 15, 2016 18:50:37 GMT
Roger, some one demo'd a Legacy with the MF pickups on this site a couple of years ago, I cannot remember any details other than the player played a Shadows number, and it sounded pretty good to me. I play other stuff mostly but the odd Shads number now and again. I know he talked about where to adjust the tone controls. Perhaps some one can remember or find the You Tube.
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Post by rogerbayliss on Jan 15, 2016 21:41:01 GMT
Found this but uses a Marshall amp and not proper echo. Core sound is there though I believe.
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Post by peterbower on Jan 17, 2016 10:42:54 GMT
Roger, if you go into the G+L Web site, there is a very good You Tube demo of the two types of pickup, ALNICO single coils and the the Magnetic Field type, Both guitars are identical but the sounds are different. Both sound great but I think at least to my ears the magnetic field pickups sound more dynamic. You will have to make your own mind up,
Pete
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 14:46:56 GMT
Hi James, I have the USA G&L Legacy.....21 years old now and when it had its original Alnico V Pups fitted I always had the 2 tone controls on full....I only used the volume control on the guitar....
I found that was the best sound and mean't you were getting the purest unaltered sound from the Pups....any further tone adjustment was made from the amp...a MK3 Boogie at that time....
Cheers, Paul...
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Post by rogerbayliss on Jan 18, 2016 17:38:52 GMT
I agree with that said by Paul re the Legacy which is essentially a strat type with Alnico PU's so the bass and treble need to be mainly up full unlike the S500. If anything I would say roll off some treble as the treble pot is 500K rather than normal 250k for strats and the treble bleed bleed mod on the volume means it is going to sound brighter especially with volume rolled back.
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Post by jamesrydell on Jan 25, 2016 8:46:45 GMT
Thanks for all your help and replies guys. I have tried Paul and Roger's suggestions but the upper strings still sound very bright. However I have just read a thread started by Roger re. the Vox VX2 modelling amp (I have the Vox VX1) and think my amp settings may not be correct. Sometime to-day I intend to set up my amp as suggested by Derek and Roger (AC30 top boost, treble 12 o'clock, base 9 o'clock with gain turned all the way up) and see how I go.
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Post by rogerbayliss on Jan 25, 2016 13:22:21 GMT
NO DO NOT TURN THE GAIN ALL THE WAY UP ON THE TOP BOOST MODEL THAT WAS ON THE AC30 NORMAL CHANNEL. GAIN IS ABOUT 10'O'CLOCK FOR TOP BOOST.
HTH
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Post by jamesrydell on Jan 27, 2016 11:36:39 GMT
Thanks Roger. I will alter per your recommendation. Dave
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Post by jamesrydell on Jan 27, 2016 11:36:55 GMT
Thanks Roger. I will alter per your recommendation. Dave
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