Post by Kevin on Oct 27, 2008 20:55:04 GMT
From: MSN NicknameSheendigs (Original Message) Sent: 04/08/2008 19:19
Hi Charlie
It seems that Leo Fender when be built the Fender Jaguar designed the pickups with this in mind:
The pickups were designed narrow and with a metal “saw tooth” like claw that was made with the intention of concentrating the magnetic field, providing a punchier sound than the Jazzmaster.
Is that true?
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From: Charlie Hall Sent: 05/08/2008 00:43
Hi Sheendigs,
I hadn't heard it put that way before but I had noticed the sawtooth sides. I remember reading somewhere a long time ago that the Jaguar pickups were designed for a fuller range than Strat ones. I'm not exactly sure what was meant by that.
Regards,
Charlie
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From: MSN NicknameSheendigs Sent: 06/08/2008 13:18
HI There
Here is the gizmo Jaguar chrome plated pickup "claw", U channel shaped gizmo that fits to the bottom of the pickup, as found on American Vintage Series Jaguar.
Jaguar_Sawtooth.gif
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From: MSN NicknameSheendigs Sent: 06/08/2008 13:41
Here is what Seymour Duncan had to say about the 'claw tooth'
Why did the Fender Jaguar have a metal claw around the cover?
The Jaguar claw helped keep the magnet field in closer proximity to the coil which helped make the coil sound louder and brighter. It also helped reduce unwanted electrical interference from entering the coil.
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From: MSN Nicknamehoadlies Sent: 07/08/2008 02:15
HI SHEENDIGS ,how are you going mate
? the claw is interesting if it helps hum etc ,does it fit under the plastic cover & are the jag-pup's the same as a strat p'up [physical dimentions] that is ,,I my youth a well-off friend had a jaguar & it had a damper gismo in the bridge for damping ,but the guitar did not sound much better than my home-made one with the gear we had then ,he was disapointed in it as i think he thought the fender would make him sound like hank!!!!!! when he pluged it into my crude h/made tape echo he was amazed at the sound ,his parents bought him the jaguar but could not build a echo-unit'' HA,HAAR'',,my tape echo looked like a heap of junk ,just a chassis& no case& only 1 record & 3 playback heads,but it did give something near the sound ,It made my'' day''as his family were very well off & at that time you could not buy a tape echo unit in australia ,the first to come were the ''klempt'' echolette'' & it did not have ''the'' sound ,,soon after came the ''copi-cat'' but the early ones not ''muti-tap'' & to this day I have not seen a meazzi or a binson in the flesh,, I tried to chase-up the''baby-binson echorec'',but the distributor in ''sydney'' ''A&R'' had sold all that were imported to aust & told me that most were sold to studio's & abc-radio stations & then came roland's& ''acetone'' which I bought new [nearly divorced] & none of these had the sound unless modified withe more heads etc,etc,''korg'' was another one & ''dyna-cord'' all tape units ,THE one good feature the ''acetone'' had was the variable dc capstan direct drive motor,, & was very well built.. & I still have it,& should re furbish it with more modern preamp & tone circuits for the extra heads that I fitted,''ONE-DAY'' ''MEMORIES'' THE ''DIGI'' units are very good I must say ,''SO PROGRAMABLE'' & this ''VOX -tone-lab'' is fantastic in front of the ''zoom''-''M/stomp''-''Q+'' ,,as I have ''still'' not finnished my valve amp,''SOON'',,,,CHEERS from a reminissing ''aussie'' barry..
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From: MSN NicknameSheendigs Sent: 07/08/2008 11:43
Hi Barry
The claw does fit underneath the pickups..I had a friend who just refurbished his Jaguar from 1964. Naturally, I was at this shop and so he told me to try it with the tremolo to hear the sound. It sounded excellent and I tried to explain the effect of this device..because I had read it somewhere..I did not have any echo at hand..but it already sounded good. GIANNINI in Brazil had developed their guitars..a mix of Stratocaster and Jaguar based on this model and it sounded good..back in 1964. As I always said you would surely love a Binson..but the echo you have must give you some pleasure with all those modifications..Take care!
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From: Charlie Hall Sent: 08/08/2008 13:36
Hi Barry,
The Baby Binson would disappoint as the echoes are too fast. The echoes also sound very bright, at least on the ones I have heard.
If going for a Binson, an Echorec 2 might get you closer, with modifications.
Regards,
Charlie
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From: MSN Nicknamehoadlies Sent: 08/08/2008 19:35
THANKS SHEENDIGS & CHARLIE & I am not looking to buy any binson ,I was remembering things from the past [old age] ,I like my old tape unit & it does'nt sound too bad the last time i used it[along-time ago],BUT will not part with it .. but the digital units are far less bulky and much less maintinance [spelling] & are so programable etc etc there here to stay,& I have heard examples of tunes [P/KORVING] for one, of many,many posts,by other members & hank also who use ''DIGITAL'' & unless one was holding a competition to emulate the original recordings 100% & even then the ''JUDGE'' would have a difficult job to say whether it was analog or digital?? I think as ''paul'' has done with the tvs ,using the ''bucket-brigade'' & valve & digital has merit ,but to my ears the digy units fill the bill ,may'be not to the very trained ear as yours charlie,who has been so close to the subject for years now,not forgetting piet&jacob,paul & many others no dought. BUT as I have said before ''ECHO '' for the dollar the digital units do a good job with the ''right'' programing ..ENOUGH SAID .''aussie'' barry ps a very tired barry as I have just arrived home from a funeral in adelaide & its 5.30 am & we left home at 6.30 am this morning..
Hi Charlie
It seems that Leo Fender when be built the Fender Jaguar designed the pickups with this in mind:
The pickups were designed narrow and with a metal “saw tooth” like claw that was made with the intention of concentrating the magnetic field, providing a punchier sound than the Jazzmaster.
Is that true?
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From: Charlie Hall Sent: 05/08/2008 00:43
Hi Sheendigs,
I hadn't heard it put that way before but I had noticed the sawtooth sides. I remember reading somewhere a long time ago that the Jaguar pickups were designed for a fuller range than Strat ones. I'm not exactly sure what was meant by that.
Regards,
Charlie
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From: MSN NicknameSheendigs Sent: 06/08/2008 13:18
HI There
Here is the gizmo Jaguar chrome plated pickup "claw", U channel shaped gizmo that fits to the bottom of the pickup, as found on American Vintage Series Jaguar.
Jaguar_Sawtooth.gif
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From: MSN NicknameSheendigs Sent: 06/08/2008 13:41
Here is what Seymour Duncan had to say about the 'claw tooth'
Why did the Fender Jaguar have a metal claw around the cover?
The Jaguar claw helped keep the magnet field in closer proximity to the coil which helped make the coil sound louder and brighter. It also helped reduce unwanted electrical interference from entering the coil.
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From: MSN Nicknamehoadlies Sent: 07/08/2008 02:15
HI SHEENDIGS ,how are you going mate
? the claw is interesting if it helps hum etc ,does it fit under the plastic cover & are the jag-pup's the same as a strat p'up [physical dimentions] that is ,,I my youth a well-off friend had a jaguar & it had a damper gismo in the bridge for damping ,but the guitar did not sound much better than my home-made one with the gear we had then ,he was disapointed in it as i think he thought the fender would make him sound like hank!!!!!! when he pluged it into my crude h/made tape echo he was amazed at the sound ,his parents bought him the jaguar but could not build a echo-unit'' HA,HAAR'',,my tape echo looked like a heap of junk ,just a chassis& no case& only 1 record & 3 playback heads,but it did give something near the sound ,It made my'' day''as his family were very well off & at that time you could not buy a tape echo unit in australia ,the first to come were the ''klempt'' echolette'' & it did not have ''the'' sound ,,soon after came the ''copi-cat'' but the early ones not ''muti-tap'' & to this day I have not seen a meazzi or a binson in the flesh,, I tried to chase-up the''baby-binson echorec'',but the distributor in ''sydney'' ''A&R'' had sold all that were imported to aust & told me that most were sold to studio's & abc-radio stations & then came roland's& ''acetone'' which I bought new [nearly divorced] & none of these had the sound unless modified withe more heads etc,etc,''korg'' was another one & ''dyna-cord'' all tape units ,THE one good feature the ''acetone'' had was the variable dc capstan direct drive motor,, & was very well built.. & I still have it,& should re furbish it with more modern preamp & tone circuits for the extra heads that I fitted,''ONE-DAY'' ''MEMORIES'' THE ''DIGI'' units are very good I must say ,''SO PROGRAMABLE'' & this ''VOX -tone-lab'' is fantastic in front of the ''zoom''-''M/stomp''-''Q+'' ,,as I have ''still'' not finnished my valve amp,''SOON'',,,,CHEERS from a reminissing ''aussie'' barry..Reply
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From: MSN NicknameSheendigs Sent: 07/08/2008 11:43
Hi Barry
The claw does fit underneath the pickups..I had a friend who just refurbished his Jaguar from 1964. Naturally, I was at this shop and so he told me to try it with the tremolo to hear the sound. It sounded excellent and I tried to explain the effect of this device..because I had read it somewhere..I did not have any echo at hand..but it already sounded good. GIANNINI in Brazil had developed their guitars..a mix of Stratocaster and Jaguar based on this model and it sounded good..back in 1964. As I always said you would surely love a Binson..but the echo you have must give you some pleasure with all those modifications..Take care!
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From: Charlie Hall Sent: 08/08/2008 13:36
Hi Barry,
The Baby Binson would disappoint as the echoes are too fast. The echoes also sound very bright, at least on the ones I have heard.
If going for a Binson, an Echorec 2 might get you closer, with modifications.
Regards,
Charlie
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From: MSN Nicknamehoadlies Sent: 08/08/2008 19:35
THANKS SHEENDIGS & CHARLIE & I am not looking to buy any binson ,I was remembering things from the past [old age] ,I like my old tape unit & it does'nt sound too bad the last time i used it[along-time ago],BUT will not part with it .. but the digital units are far less bulky and much less maintinance [spelling] & are so programable etc etc there here to stay,& I have heard examples of tunes [P/KORVING] for one, of many,many posts,by other members & hank also who use ''DIGITAL'' & unless one was holding a competition to emulate the original recordings 100% & even then the ''JUDGE'' would have a difficult job to say whether it was analog or digital?? I think as ''paul'' has done with the tvs ,using the ''bucket-brigade'' & valve & digital has merit ,but to my ears the digy units fill the bill ,may'be not to the very trained ear as yours charlie,who has been so close to the subject for years now,not forgetting piet&jacob,paul & many others no dought. BUT as I have said before ''ECHO '' for the dollar the digital units do a good job with the ''right'' programing ..ENOUGH SAID .''aussie'' barry ps a very tired barry as I have just arrived home from a funeral in adelaide & its 5.30 am & we left home at 6.30 am this morning..