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Post by Charlie Hall on Sept 30, 2019 10:46:38 GMT
Hi Alan, I have you on my list for two units, thank you.
Hi Stevec, The unit should work perfectly with the normal channel of your amp. You would most likely want to turn off the speaker emulation of the EF86 Amp Emulator.
Regards, Charlie
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Post by stevec on Sept 30, 2019 10:53:37 GMT
Thank you Charlie I believe I am on the list if not put me down for 1 please
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Post by duane on Sept 30, 2019 14:30:37 GMT
Can you put me on the list also please Charlie
Regards
Colin
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Post by Charlie Hall on Sept 30, 2019 16:46:35 GMT
Hi Stevec, You are already on my list, thank you.
Hi Colin, Thank you, I have added you to the list.
Regards, Charlie
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Post by musketeer58 on Oct 3, 2019 9:34:23 GMT
Hi Rob, I am going to do all I can to have this out by Christmas, if not sooner. Regards, Charlie That would be great Charlie, how nice it would be to find one under the Christmas tree on Christmas morning
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Post by Charlie Hall on Oct 12, 2019 2:15:29 GMT
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Post by Charlie Hall on Oct 13, 2019 21:24:39 GMT
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Post by Kurt Fröberg on Oct 15, 2019 20:04:26 GMT
Hi Charlie, we all are very interested in what this Amp Emulator can do, and if it is possible I think it would be great to hear what this unit really can do to the guitar tone, in other words a short demo with the emulator bypassed and then switched on, different settings, adjusted in real time, no need to have a backing there.
Best regards Kurt
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Post by Charlie Hall on Oct 15, 2019 23:41:21 GMT
Hi Kurt, Thanks for your interest in this project. I can certainly try something along those lines at some point. It could also be very good to connect it all into the normal channel of an AC30 and see what it does in that situation. However I don't own any Vox amps but I know someone who has several, in fact we already tried such a comparison and he was shocked at how close it sounded to the added EF86 channel of the same amp. Regards, Charlie
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Post by Charlie Hall on Oct 16, 2019 2:30:49 GMT
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Post by whitefalcon on Oct 16, 2019 18:25:42 GMT
I've listened to all three of Charlie's sound files and this sounds as though it could be the missing link in capturing the recorded sound - at last. I'm one amongst many of us that have managed to get 'close', but there is always that percentage that isn't right, if you tweak one way you gain something but lose something else, then you tweak again and end up going in circles. But on these tracks of Charlie's I have compared carefully with the recordings of The Shadows and I'm satisfied that tonally he has nailed it and can't wait to get one of the pedals to go in my studio. I know it's a labour of love for Charle and appreciate the hours of work that's gone into this, I know how hard he works as I've had some gruelling sessions with him, only a few I know, but enough to see his dedication to the job in hand. Well for me he's succeeded and I for one would like to congratulate him on his work. Well done Charlie and you deserve the accolades and success for your hard graft.
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Post by Charlie Hall on Oct 16, 2019 19:31:01 GMT
Hi whitefalcon, Thank you for your kind comments. I remember many hours going over recorded tracks trying to tweak the EQ to get the sound as close as possible to what we hear in our heads, and never really quite getting there, as you say. Well now for me EQ takes a back seat and instead I concentrate on the elements that distort and bend the guitar signal as it travels through the various signal paths before reaching the listener. So much so that I am not even bothering with EQ other than setting the Tone controls on the EF86 Amp Emulator to achieve a reasonably balanced tone that also can happen to be something like the original sound. Add to that the picking technique and even the picks used and it is possible to get close without needing much further tweaking. It is a fact that some pieces of gear work and others don't. By that I am not suggesting that any of them mess anything up, it's just that many of them just don't have the right combination of elements when a particular result is sought. I will continue to make a further number of recordings as I find the time. Regards, Charlie
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Post by bor64 on Oct 16, 2019 20:43:32 GMT
More recordings....That's excellent news Charlie! May I suggest WL and HBTY and of course that Native American tune Cheers Rob
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Post by Charlie Hall on Oct 16, 2019 20:57:16 GMT
Hi Rob, I wasn't sure about revisiting HBTY but maybe I will! I will definitely be having a go at the others. Regards, Charlie
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Post by gruntfuttock on Oct 16, 2019 23:35:08 GMT
I think MoM and The Savage have distinctive sounds. Perhaps a “Slightly Overdriven “ sound. They might be a good test for your EF86 project. My late Father designed an EF 85 pedal! He never new how close he got!!! (lol) Dave
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Post by alanfgb on Oct 17, 2019 5:41:24 GMT
Hi Charlie,
Are the units ready for shipment? Anticipation is getting unbearable. Heh, heh.
Alan
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Post by Charlie Hall on Oct 17, 2019 7:53:51 GMT
Hi Dave, I am planning to record both of those tunes. I looked up the EF85 valve and found this: www.r-type.org/exhib/aai0224.htmLooks like it is a variable mu pentode valve designed for superhet radio. The EF86 is a pentode but not variable mu. Just to clarify for everyone, the new pedal does not contain any kind of valve as it is all solid state. Hi Alan, I must ask Stephen if the prototype casing he has fits all the components properly as that was his reason for ordering it. Regards, Charlie
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Post by shawbridge on Oct 17, 2019 12:17:03 GMT
Hi Dave, Personally, I am of the belief that the Amplifier was driven at real volume and I also believe that an Amplifier has to be driven at a reasonable volume, so as to hit the sweet spot as they say. There is a video on you tube of the Shadows playing live, burns era but with the AC30s driven very hard and you can distinctly here the Amplifier slightly breaking up ‘ on the edge’ so to speak, the same video clip is on the Vox story also. I think they playing Dance On. I find it’s difficult to get a satisfying sound tone, when the Amplifier is very low, who else finds this? Cheers Pete
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Post by gruntfuttock on Oct 17, 2019 15:03:44 GMT
]Hi Dave, I am planning to record both of those tunes. I looked up the EF85 valve and found this: www.r-type.org/exhib/aai0224.htmLooks like it is a variable mu pentode valve designed for superhet radio. The EF86 is a pentode but not variable mu. Just to clarify for everyone, the new pedal does not contain any kind of valve as it is all solid state. Hi Charlie. My reply was meant to be “Tongue in cheek” As in “My Grandfather invented Six Up - he never new how close he got. TBH I didn’t know there was an EF 85 Valve. I apologise for any confusion. Really looking forward to getting my hands on one of your EF86 pedals once it has been released!! Dave
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Post by Charlie Hall on Oct 17, 2019 19:16:32 GMT
Hi Pete, It is definitely true that driving the amp improves the sound for most guitar players. I will be recording Man Of Mystery fairly soon and you should hear distortion on that one, coming from the EF86 Amp Emulator of course.
Hi Dave, I knew your post was tongue in cheek although I wasn't aware of the grandfather and Six Up joke. I wasn't aware of an EF85 valve either so I looked it up and posted the link for interest.
Regards, Charlie
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Post by scouserjoe on Oct 18, 2019 6:58:59 GMT
Hi Charlie,
Good to be back here after my absence. I am interested in this project but it leaves me a little confused. I have a good knowledge of guitars, but amps, pedals and other effects - where they fit in and what they do - often leave me totally perplexed. Can you please help ? ...
Where does the proposed EF86 pedal fit into either of my systems ? ...
1. Guitar -- H&C Echo -- VoxAC15 -- Microphone -- DAW 2. Guitar -- H&C Echo -- Vox Tonelab (the old blue version) -- DAW
Also, where would I add a compression pedal if the EF86 was involved? Currently I have it next in line from the guitar.
Many thanks,
Ian
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Post by Charlie Hall on Oct 18, 2019 9:59:49 GMT
Hi Ian, Welcome back. The EF86 Amp Emulator pedal will replace a conventional amp or other amp sim, although it could be used in combinations experimentally. In the two scenarios you have detailed the EF86 Amp Emulator would be positioned thus: 1. Guitar -- H&C Echo -- EF86 Amp Emulator -- DAW 2. Guitar -- H&C Echo -- EF86 Amp Emulator -- DAW With the recordings I have made exactly as in 1 or 2 above, I added compression in my DAW. A compressor pedal would normally go between the guitar and amp or amp sim, in this case the EF86 Amp Emulator, but you could also try it between the EF86 Amp Emulator and the DAW as then it could potentially emulate how compression was applied in the studio and also how I made my recordings. Yet another alternative would be to use a compressor plugin as I did, then you would have more control over the final sound balance. Regards, Charlie
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Post by scouserjoe on Oct 18, 2019 10:37:20 GMT
Hi Charlie,
Thanks for your reply - that's very helpful - and I would certainly be interested in buying a unit when they are ready. Your reply raises two further queries .. You say that the EF86 will replace a conventional amp or amp sim, so .. When I use the AC15 or Vox Tonelab I obviously have the ability to refine the tone of the output using the Treble, Bass and Cut controls on either unit.
How does this work with the EF86 replacing the Tonelab? and .. Are you also saying that the EF86 can replace a conventional amp entirely (?) or just that it is added before an amp in the chain ? It's not clear from the two examples you quote which are identical.
Many Thanks,
Ian
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Post by Charlie Hall on Oct 18, 2019 12:16:51 GMT
Hi Ian, You can add an amp or other amp sim as the last item in the chain so you could have the extra controls but note that I had none of that when I did my recordings. One of the features of the EF86 Amp Emulator is that it can be used before a real amp or amp sim. It works well connected into the normal channel of an AC30 because we tried that already. Note again that the normal channel of those amps is quite flat and is just a means to amplify the sound from the EF86 Amp Emulator. For such use, you would probably want to switch off the speaker emulation of the EF86 Amp Emulator but it can be set either way to personal preference. Regards, Charlie
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Post by scouserjoe on Oct 18, 2019 14:02:04 GMT
Thanks Charlie, That makes sense now :-)
Best regards
Ian
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Post by shawbridge on Oct 18, 2019 18:05:10 GMT
Hi Charlie, Our Band has a live recording we did in the studios of ‘ Man of mystery’ but I haven’t worked out how to get the video to load up on here 😁 I am still trying to sort it out👍
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Post by bor64 on Oct 18, 2019 19:49:54 GMT
Shawbridge,
Just upload the video to YT or box and make a link and place that here....
Cheers Rob
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Post by Charlie Hall on Oct 19, 2019 1:53:07 GMT
Hi Pete, Files cannot be uploaded to this site. You would need to use a file hosting site and then link to that file from a post made here. Regards, Charlie
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Post by shawbridge on Oct 19, 2019 7:12:01 GMT
Hi Charlie, Yes, I know that, I will see what I can do with ‘Box’ , I know that some have success with that and my apologies for drifting slightly off topic here 🤭😆 Cheers
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Post by darrell12345 on Oct 19, 2019 15:50:25 GMT
Hi Charlie, Quarter master stores sounds great the sound is there. Will you demonstrate Atlantis and wonderful land. Regards Darrell
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