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Post by sheendigs on Jan 11, 2019 20:08:57 GMT
Have you seen this unit? Tons of effects....like three units in one (Binson kind,Roland tape echo and Studio echo) Would be interesting to know, if presets can be built into it.. Have fun: www.strymon.net/products/volante/Sheendigs
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Post by didier on Jan 12, 2019 9:08:30 GMT
I has 4 heads echoes with some control over heads spacing. Up to 8 presets, and much more through midi control.
Didier
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Post by andyj47 on Jan 12, 2019 17:50:22 GMT
the trouble with these kind of demos is they just show how they can go clicketty clack and dont play a tune as we would want to use the unit.i suppose the reason is that our general style is pretty old fashioned these days .
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Post by scanners on Jan 13, 2019 0:23:13 GMT
That’s a handy function that no one else does to get Shadows sounds, the ability to adjust head playback levels Matt
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Post by sheendigs on Jan 13, 2019 12:54:18 GMT
Hi Matt I saw that it has lots of playback head functions. Perhaps one could have Shadow's presets, and if we can access to those, it would be awesome. Yes, we are a thing of past in wanting to get those dear loved sounds of our favourite group. SHeendigs
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Post by rogerbayliss on Jan 13, 2019 16:34:28 GMT
It's a great unit overall . Only drawback for shadows echoes is lack of head level control they are either full or half level or off. No in between so cannot get right levels as say the 123 control on meazzi echomatic 2 . There is some control for head spacing but requires guesswork . Had the head levels been variable it would have made the grade I think. Shame it's great otherwise.
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Post by sheendigs on Jan 13, 2019 19:28:22 GMT
Hi Roger If those ideas are suggested to the inventor, I am sure that it would be interesting to him. Perhaps in the near future, he would accommodate a suggestion from those needing your suggested feature. Sheendigs
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Post by Charlie Hall on Jan 13, 2019 20:01:11 GMT
Altering head levels will not give the sound of the 123 control of the Echomatic 2. That control changes the resistances at the heads but that does not change levels very much at all (although it sounds like that is what it does), it changes the EQ of each head to the output (and produces different again EQ with the feedback). John and I did an extensive analysis with real tape heads and various resistors to verify all this with real world tests and not some assumed theory. Modelling all of this properly made a huge difference to the perceived accuracy of the Echomatic and LongTom effects in the H & C unit. EFTP patches (which I no longer supply) had various head levels to try to account for what were really EQ differences (as would this new unit try to do if modified as is being suggested), but it never sounded quite right no matter how the levels were set. Regards, Charlie
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Post by Stu's Dad on Jan 13, 2019 23:27:33 GMT
If it's not progammable then I don't see it being much use to most of us, it would take an awful lot of fiddling around to approximate just one of the settings in EFTP or on the HCSE.
Len
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Post by scanners on Jan 13, 2019 23:58:09 GMT
I agree Len
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Post by rogerbayliss on Jan 14, 2019 0:01:06 GMT
Altering head levels will not give the sound of the 123 control of the Echomatic 2. That control changes the resistances at the heads but that does not change levels very much at all (although it sounds like that is what it does), it changes the EQ of each head to the output (and produces different again EQ with the feedback). John and I did an extensive analysis with real tape heads and various resistors to verify all this with real world tests and not some assumed theory. Modelling all of this properly made a huge difference to the perceived accuracy of the Echomatic and LongTom effects in the H & C unit. EFTP patches (which I no longer supply) had various head levels to try to account for what were really EQ differences (as would this new unit try to do if modified as is being suggested), but it never sounded quite right no matter how the levels were set. Regards, Charlie Charlie thanks for the definitive answer .
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Post by oldrenders on Jan 14, 2019 19:03:44 GMT
Regardless of its suitability for "that sound", it is worth noting that 399 USD (Strymon site) is translating into 399 GBP. (Gear4Music site) I'll pass for now, my Magic stomp will do me a bit longer... Cheers, one and all Geoff
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