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Post by Charlie Hall on Oct 13, 2019 21:19:18 GMT
Here is another demo of the EF86 Amp Emulator that I am currently recording, this time it's Peace Pipe. www.dropbox.com/s/mcicwvj0fajpm2n/Peace%20Pipe%20EF86%20Amp%20Emulator%20demo.mp3?dl=0I used the Strat replica loaded with a CS 56 NOS pickguard and fitted with NewTone Electric Masters pure nickel 12-56 strings with a wound G, played on the neck pickup. The sound is exactly what I recorded from the H & C using patch P15 and of course the new EF86 Amp Emulator unit but I again had to compress the lead guitar track to make it balance well with the UB Hank backing track, which I also modified to make it sound less modern. As will be the case with all of these demos (unless otherwise stated), no other effects were added. I hope you like it. Regards, Charlie
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Post by Stu's Dad on Oct 13, 2019 22:01:11 GMT
That's an excellent rendition Charlie, with a sound to die for. Your new pedal's looking a bit special.
Regards,
Len
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Post by Charlie Hall on Oct 13, 2019 22:09:24 GMT
Hi Len, Thank you, glad you like it. Regards, Charlie
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Post by rogerbayliss on Oct 13, 2019 23:49:46 GMT
Sounds excellent Charlie, pretty well close enough from memory. Is this a Top Boost emulation?
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Post by Charlie Hall on Oct 14, 2019 0:06:43 GMT
Hi Roger, Thank you. I used Channel 2B of the EF86 Amp Emulator, which emulates circuit 3 on the brilliance setting. Circuit 3 was the preamp used in the AC30/4, and also the identical preamp was used in the AC15 of 1960. The cut control on the real amps (and the Tone control on the EF86 Amp Emulator) has to be set to reduce the treble quite a bit to balance with the much reduced bass of the brilliance setting. This results in a sound that has quite a lot of mids, which works well with the predominately mid content of the echo signal. Regards, Charlie
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Post by istvan on Oct 14, 2019 3:05:12 GMT
Hi Charlie! The Pipe sounds heavenly! Regards istvan
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Post by gruntfuttock on Oct 14, 2019 6:17:38 GMT
Hi Charlie. It’s not always comfortable being in the minority- but I can’t open the link. I receive the message “Redirection Failed” Very disappointed! Dave
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Post by alanfgb on Oct 14, 2019 7:57:45 GMT
Hi Charlie,
I'm having the same problem with Peace Pipe as Filleted Place - unable to access the file. I request that you please email me Peace Pipe as you did Filleted Place. Thank you, Charlie.
Alan
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Post by bor64 on Oct 14, 2019 8:24:03 GMT
Hi Charlie,
Brilliantly played as always! Is it me, in my ears the original sounds a tad warmer? Is it the guitar you used, or is the EF86?
Cheers Rob
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Post by Jono on Oct 14, 2019 8:45:38 GMT
Hi Charlie, An excellent example of that chime sound..
Best Regards John
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Post by Charlie Hall on Oct 14, 2019 9:10:53 GMT
Hi Istvan,
Thank you!
Hi Dave and Alan, I have emailed the file to you both.
Regards, Charlie
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Post by Charlie Hall on Oct 14, 2019 9:17:05 GMT
Hi Rob, Someone else emailed me to tell me the original is a little warmer. I haven't compared them and deliberately did not do that even before I started to record it. I was hoping I could trust the EF86 Amp Emulator to come up with a good result just by setting it to the sound in my head. If it is close enough then I am pleased. I think the sound has more to do with the unit than the guitar.
Hi John, Thank you!
Regards, Charlie
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Post by alanfgb on Oct 14, 2019 9:57:40 GMT
Hi Charlie,
Thanks a million for sending the file. I can hear that elusive sparkly rich sound of the original recording. To me Peace Pipe is the most difficult Shadows sound to duplicate. The pairing of the EF86 and the H&CSE pedals come the closest to making it possible. I salute your ingenuity and hard work, Charlie.
Alan
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Post by Charlie Hall on Oct 14, 2019 10:12:36 GMT
Hi Alan, Thank you for your kind comments. It helps me for the next recordings I will make. Regards, Charlie
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Post by rogerbayliss on Oct 14, 2019 11:32:10 GMT
Hi Roger, Thank you. I used Channel 2B of the EF86 Amp Emulator, which emulates circuit 3 on the brilliance setting. Circuit 3 was the preamp used in the AC30/4, and also the identical preamp was used in the AC15 of 1960. The cut control on the real amps (and the Tone control on the EF86 Amp Emulator) has to be set to reduce the treble quite a bit to balance with the much reduced bass of the brilliance setting. This results in a sound that has quite a lot of mids, which works well with the predominately mid content of the echo signal. Regards, Charlie Great thanks Charlie. Are you going to do any direct recordings without an amp and we could also hear the speaker emulation ?
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Post by Ove Kalander on Oct 14, 2019 12:25:53 GMT
Hi Charlie, It sounds really great. All the best, Ove
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Post by Charlie Hall on Oct 14, 2019 13:25:21 GMT
Hi Roger, Thank you. I used Channel 2B of the EF86 Amp Emulator, which emulates circuit 3 on the brilliance setting. Circuit 3 was the preamp used in the AC30/4, and also the identical preamp was used in the AC15 of 1960. The cut control on the real amps (and the Tone control on the EF86 Amp Emulator) has to be set to reduce the treble quite a bit to balance with the much reduced bass of the brilliance setting. This results in a sound that has quite a lot of mids, which works well with the predominately mid content of the echo signal. Regards, Charlie Great thanks Charlie. Are you going to do any direct recordings without an amp and we could also hear the speaker emulation ? Hi Roger, These are in fact direct recordings without an amp, and the speaker emulation was switched on. I am connecting the guitar to the H & C, then to the EF86 Amp Emulator, then to the sound card of my computer. The recordings are intended to show what the 2 units together, and without any other effects or processors, sounds like. The great thing is that I can get power amp overdriven sounds at any time, all without annoying anyone within earshot at any time of the day or night by using headphones. Regards, Charlie
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Post by Charlie Hall on Oct 14, 2019 13:26:17 GMT
Hi Ove, Thank you, glad you like it. Regards, Charlie
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Post by rogerbayliss on Oct 14, 2019 16:35:51 GMT
Great thanks Charlie. Are you going to do any direct recordings without an amp and we could also hear the speaker emulation ? Hi Roger, These are in fact direct recordings without an amp, and the speaker emulation was switched on. I am connecting the guitar to the H & C, then to the EF86 Amp Emulator, then to the sound card of my computer. The recordings are intended to show what the 2 units together, and without any other effects or processors, sounds like. The great thing is that I can get power amp overdriven sounds at any time, all without annoying anyone within earshot at any time of the day or night by using headphones. Regards, Charlie That's impressive then Charlie!
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Post by Charlie Hall on Oct 14, 2019 17:40:47 GMT
Hi Roger, These are in fact direct recordings without an amp, and the speaker emulation was switched on. I am connecting the guitar to the H & C, then to the EF86 Amp Emulator, then to the sound card of my computer. The recordings are intended to show what the 2 units together, and without any other effects or processors, sounds like. The great thing is that I can get power amp overdriven sounds at any time, all without annoying anyone within earshot at any time of the day or night by using headphones. Regards, Charlie That's impressive then Charlie! Thanks Roger. I wanted the unit to be as versatile as possible. If using it with a guitar amp, say an AC30's normal channel which is about as flat as you can get in any guitar amp, then the overdriven sounds can be got at any volume level. Regards, Charlie
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Post by Zaanse Shadow on Oct 15, 2019 13:23:12 GMT
Absolutely beautifull Charlie
Bye
Freddy
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Post by Charlie Hall on Oct 15, 2019 18:13:51 GMT
Hi Freddy, Thank you! Regards, Charlie
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Post by Steve Reynolds on Oct 15, 2019 20:33:56 GMT
Hi Charlie
Thats not too far off! A little bit brighter than the original but i think the heavier guitar on the backing track isn't helping.
Best Wishes
Steve
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Post by Charlie Hall on Oct 15, 2019 23:34:36 GMT
Hi Steve, Thank you! You're probably right about the brightness and the backing track. It would of course be very easy to smooth it with a simple low pass 6dB/octave filter and I think that would be the right thing to do rather than try to get closer whilst recording as it could be that the engineer at Abbey Road did remove some highs to reduce noise as the echo units could be quite noisy. Regards, Charlie
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Post by essemm on Oct 26, 2019 0:50:46 GMT
Hi Charlie,
This is beautifull . Great.
Best regards, Sturla
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Post by bernardj on Oct 26, 2019 9:05:07 GMT
Hello Charlie
I already have a H & C signature and I have a great interest for the EF 86 and I would like to know what are the different frequencies of cut and the slopes of the filters in the EF86 Regards Bernard
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Post by Cruachan on Oct 26, 2019 12:59:41 GMT
Hi Charlie,
Absolutely sublime! Well done!
Best regards, Mike
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Post by Charlie Hall on Oct 26, 2019 15:11:32 GMT
Hi Sturla, Thank you, glad you like it.
Hi Bernard, I don't know the exact frequencies. The circuit 2 emulation has a 4 stage passive filter after the EF86 emulation circuit and before the volume pot. The filter therefore rolls off ultimately at 24dB per octave, however this would be at lower than guitar frequencies. The frequencies and curves would be very similar to that of the Cutting Edge filter I once produced. The circuit 3 emulation emulates a normal setting and a brilliance setting. The brilliance setting has the same effect as a 250pf capacitor into a 500K volume pot. The tone controls work the same as the cut control wired in reverse and with the values of 0.0047uF and a 250K pot. Keep in mind that I have experimented with similar filters before but those alone did not produce the sounds we want to hear. The two different EF86 emulation circuits in the new unit will complete that sound.
Hi Mike, Thank you, glad you approve!
Regards, Charlie
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Post by bernardj on Oct 28, 2019 9:19:52 GMT
Hi Charlie
Thank you Charlie for these clarifications, I think a lot of guitarist are eager to play on this pedals...:-)
Bernard From France
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Post by bernardj on Oct 30, 2019 8:10:44 GMT
Hello Charlie I come back to my post about the frequency and slope of the filter in the EF86 project. I understand well you fit the frequencies out of the spectrum of the guitar and it seems strange to me... According to the measurements that I made with an analyze the frequency of cut on Hank'strat , are about 320 hz with a slope of at least 18 db per octave ... And when we measure the frequencies on its E first string, there is no cleavage hich means that a cut filter set at 1200 hz as the ''bright filter'' is not in action because this Mi first string would be already heavily attenuated. if I apply a cut on my guitar at 300 hz 18 db per ocave and I make a small equalization for the beauty of the medium, that remains I easily get this result : app.box.com/s/eyjux450lqgdorbgk1yqcqz1cbtpoj65Nothing matches the frequencies that are often allowed for the '' brillant '' filter and frequencies that are outside the spectrum of the guitar in the EF 86 project have it really a reason to be outside the Mi 6 th string? Record with strat 77 custom 54 pick ups > Hall and Colins signature> Quadraverb plus> EQ source audio> Peavey classic 30 line out (loop send) in Cubase with plug in Abbey road chambers Regards
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