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Post by Kevin on Oct 25, 2008 18:48:35 GMT
From: brunornr (Original Message)
Sent: 25/09/2008 12:47
hi,any suggestions for that particular sound?
I use a valvetronix 60 vt.,and a zoom 508 powered by Charlie!
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Post by Kevin on Oct 25, 2008 18:48:58 GMT
From: Charlie Hall
Sent: 25/09/2008 15:25
I heard that Bo Winberg used Philips speakers which I believe were more full range rather than being designed for guitar. It would be difficult to get close to the sound with a normal guitar amp unless the speaker was changed to something with a wider range.
For recording, try using an amp model without a cab sim and record direct instead of using a mic on the speaker.
You would need additional reverb as well as echo. Enough reverb to almost conceal the echo effect. If your amp has reverb you could try that, as well as using echo from the 508.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by Kevin on Oct 25, 2008 18:49:21 GMT
From: brunornr Sent: 25/09/2008 16:52  Charlie!! I'm very surprised about how many sounds you can get from a stratocaster and an amp,the guitar from Spotniks are very particular,and the ability of the man.......,did he played a Vox ? another stratocaster 's sound which I like so much is the one from the australian surf band the Atlantics.,both with the ac 30? cheers Bruno |
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Post by Kevin on Oct 25, 2008 18:49:44 GMT
From: Charlie Hall
Sent: 25/09/2008 18:30
Hi Bruno,
I do not think that Bo Winberg used a Vox amp. More likely, he built his own, or modified a high powered hifi amp for the guitar. I think he had also made his own echo unit, but the sounds I can hear on the records (which is not easy underneath all that reverb) sound more like a Binson to me.
I think that a good Strat is probably the most versatile guitar of all.
I remember hearing about a number of 60's bands in the UK using hifi amps such as Leak and Vortexion for guitar. Tin Renwick (who was in a Cambridge band in the 60's called the Wages Of Sin, and went on to work with the Sutherland Brothers and Eric Clapton) was using a Vortexion amp with Vox PA column speakers and it sounded good. For speakers, I have seen Goodmans Axiom 20 watt 12" hi fi models used for guitar and for PA. They were a rather delicate speaker but sounded very sweet. Some of the 60's Strats were rather dark sounding and I think that the hifi approach produced a sweet sound from them, with sparkling highs.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by Kevin on Oct 25, 2008 18:50:14 GMT
From: Didier
Sent: 26/09/2008 08:53
Beware of the results if you use Hi-Fi speakers with electric guitars, particularly costly ones. They might not survive the experience.
Here is what G.A Briggs (Hi-Fi pioneer and founder of the Wharfedale company) wrote :
"During the last couple of years I have heard of more loudspeakers breakdows with electricguitatrs than from any other cause in thirty years' of experience of speaker making.
The reason is that the starting transients with a plucked strings are very strong"
From G.A. Briggs' book : "Cabinet Handbook" (1963).
This is what led to specifically designed more rugged speakers for guitar amplifiers. For a Bo Winberg sound, you might try guitar amps specifically designed for electro-acoustic guitars, which have a wider frequency range.
Didier
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Post by Kevin on Oct 25, 2008 18:50:36 GMT
From: Charlie Hall
Sent: 26/09/2008 14:26
Hi Didier,
I agree, and was just stating how things were done as I understood it.
I cannot think of any modern 12" hifi speakers that would be equivalent to what was used then. More likely a full range keyboard, or acoustic as you say, speaker system these days.
A similar approach was used by Standel in the 50's for their guitar amps, with a JBL D-130 (rated at around 25 watts for hifi use) which was originally designed for hifi in the 40's. Later Standel models used mostly Jensens.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by Kevin on Oct 25, 2008 18:51:00 GMT
From: Gorantangring
Sent: 26/09/2008 14:45
Hi
The Spotnicks sound is in my opinion even more difficult to mimick than the Shadows sound.
I've had some limited success with my VT60 using the "Acoustic pedal" fx and some EQ tweaking. I do not use this on live gigs, only for recording. You can listen to some Spotnicks rendition on my site.
Goran
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Post by Kevin on Oct 25, 2008 18:51:22 GMT
From: RogerAllcock
Sent: 26/09/2008 16:45
I agree with Goran in that the early Spotnicks sound is very difficult to copy.
I'm sure that Charlie is on the right track when he mentioned hi-fi amps. The reason I say that is that I've noticed in the past that if I plug my guitar into my hi-fi (at relatively low volume) then the sound is much nearer to that of Bo Winberg.
To a certain extent I think that whereas to get the Shads sound you need to give a little boost to mid-range frequencies (around 800 to 900 Hz), with the Spotnicks you should reduce the mid-range and boost the treble and bass.
Roger
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Post by Kevin on Oct 25, 2008 18:51:44 GMT
From: Charlie Hall
Sent: 27/09/2008 03:00
There is also something about the sound of the mids on lower notes with Bo Winberg's sound. It is very bright but doesn't sound particularly thin. I particularly notice it with Happy Henrik's Polka. Maybe has something to do with compression too.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by Kevin on Oct 25, 2008 18:52:09 GMT
From: brunornr
Sent: 01/10/2008 12:21
I listened very little to the Spotniks,but really like the tunes Goran play on his site with the Goldfinger,I should have the same amp a vt 60 ad by Vox like him,but from the amp Goran get -all-the tone- he can,...not me !
still looking 4 some good setting!!
cheers Bruno
I'm starting to play some Spotniks tunes with my band this evening!
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Post by Kevin on Nov 7, 2008 0:28:44 GMT
Charlie, apparently you are correct. The thinking is that Bo built his own amp, with NO distortion, and with only treble and bass, no cut, which would reinforce what Roger was thinking. He uses a lot of hammering and bending as well in his playing.
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Post by Charlie Hall on Nov 8, 2008 1:22:38 GMT
Hi Kevin,
I had heard that too. I believe Bo Winberg uses more conventional amps these days, and apparently has a filter in the guitar, similar to the one Hugo described a while back.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by Graylion on Nov 16, 2008 0:50:35 GMT
Am I right in thinking that you're talking about the Spotniks sound that excludes "Orange Blossom Special"? That was my favourite track at the time and I still have the single somewhere but I soon realised that it was a "trick" track. The speed and pitch of the notes made it obvious that it was recorded at a slow speed and replayed fast - something like twice it's original speed. There's probably a studio term for this but I've forgotten it - Charlie, you would know!
The point I'm making is that this track in particular wouldn't help in determining what they used for their sound as it has been modified by being played & recorded to disc at a higher speed.
Cheers, Lionel
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Post by Charlie Hall on Nov 16, 2008 2:46:26 GMT
Hi Lionel,
Yes you're right, there are quite a few Spotnicks tracks that have that sound and weren't speeded up.
I can't think of the correct term either!
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by gtangring on Nov 16, 2008 17:06:16 GMT
Hi
Concerning Winberg's amp (The early years): Yes it was a home built amp, designed and built by himself, furthermore, I believe it was a multi channel amp beacuse they had only one amp cabinet onstage and all guitars and the bass as well were plugged into it. A bit before their time I would say!
On the 60VT I use the "acoustic pedal" with a bit of tweaking to simulate when line-out recording, it does not work as well through the amps speaker.
The Goldfingers, now disbanded, I believe had an amp similar to Winbergs for the lead.
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