streetboy
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Post by streetboy on Jan 24, 2009 13:47:10 GMT
Hi all, Well, over the last 2-3 years I have been collecting different equipment. Being a 'Bedroom Warrior' I don't really know why - probably like squirrels collecting nuts for the winter. But right now I happen to have the following hardware, and would like to have some hints from you experienced guys to a good setup (incl. amp/cabinet simulations) for Shadows/Hank stuff - if that can be done. Burns Custom Signature guitar (=Burns Marvin??) Fender Squire Strat Zoom G7.1ut pedal Zoom G2 pedal with Charlies patches Zoom 508 pedal Yamaha Magicstomp pedal with Charlies patches Roland RE-201 pedal (probaly non-Shadows relevant) Vox Tonelab LE pedal Zoom RFX2200 Alesis Midiverb 4 Alesis Q20 with Charlies patches Behringer PMP3000 Powermixer Two homemade speaker cabinets each with two Celestion G12K-100s in parallel (4ohms/200W) Rgds Soren
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Post by Charlie Hall on Jan 24, 2009 15:36:19 GMT
Hi Soren, There was a long discussion about the Tonelab on the my old site which was archived here. This is the link: charliehall.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=saved&action=display&thread=244Take note mainly of the suggested amp and cabinet settings. Use cabinet settings if you are using full range amplification and speakers because the best Shadows sound should not use full range frequencies. The settings should be a good basis for setting the Tonelab for a good tone for Shadows music. There are some delay settings as well if you want to try them. Regards, Charlie
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streetboy
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Post by streetboy on Jan 24, 2009 16:49:27 GMT
Hi Charlie,
Thanks - but I was more interested in knowing which of the listed elements would be suggested in the chain from guitar to amp (in my case the powermixer).
Should it be pedal (G2, G7, Yamaha etc.) -> effects unit (RFX2200, Alesis Midiverb, Alesis Q20) -> amp or effects unit -> pedal -> amp?
rgds Soren
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Post by Charlie Hall on Jan 24, 2009 20:53:09 GMT
Hi Soren, It would probably work in any order (except the RFX inputs do not match well to a guitar, I don't know about the Midiverb), but in most cases to have the pedal first because the pedal effects inputs could more easily overload if the guitar is not connected direct to those. If care is taken with signal levels then any order could be made to work well for most things. I always try to have any effects unit with approximately 1:1 gain ratio ie. no gain or loss. This is easy enough to do by setting up each unit into any system, then removing it and comparing the levels. Adjust the unit's level controls until the output is about the same strength as your guitar signal. If you are using the latest Q20 programs that have added distortion, it would be better to connect the guitar to the Q20 first, then maybe you could use the RFX for additional reverb as well (this could be tried before or after the unit that is providing an amp and cab sim). And then into the unit with the amp and cab sim. The G2 and G7 have built in amp models and EQ (but not cab sim if using my programs). Same with the Tonelab. It would be better to connect the Q20 first, then into the Tonelab, then you will be able to use the amp and cab sim in the correct way to reduce the nasty effect of distorted echo which could be heard if connecting the Q20 direct to a full range system. It would also be best to use only one amp sim and one cab sim in the whole chain. The tones will be additive if more than one of each is used and it may be more difficult to get the right sound. I hope I have explained this clearly enough, if not, ask again! Regards, Charlie
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