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Post by zager on Jan 24, 2012 14:06:56 GMT
hi all, Giving the state of the economy at the minute and money being tight I thought I would post this. It is basically aimed at the bedroom players who dont gig and cant afford to spent a lot of money on equiptment. I stopped gigging a long time ago but admit if you’re a gigging musican this setup wont be much use to you. For those playing just as a hobby and wanting to do a bit of home recording its works ok. Im not comparing this to the sound you get with recording with a miked amp. Compared to recording with the Tonelab, Vamp or Pod its not bad. I own a Tonelab and a Vamp and they are good units. I don’t own a Pod but it must sound similar. leaving aside the variety those units give you, the Magicstomp on its own with (eftp) installed does a good job at capturing the Shadows Sound. It does need a little bit of tweaking with a Boss eq I have. Giving the price of the Magicstomp, (eftp) and the Boss along with the guitar which incidentally is a Squire you would break the bank. Recorded straight into pc.with no mixing or mastering as I don’t know how its done anyway. I have listened to the recordings of the guys at the TVS team and they do an outstanding job. I also rate the TVS echo unit very highly as do may others and rightly so as its an outstanding unit but out of reach for most of us. The Magicstomp on the other hand is affordable and represents outstanding value for money and well worth buying if you can get one. I recorded the following file using a Squire guitar, Magicstomp (eftp) boss eq. Its a very basic setup but its more than capable of producing a good sound if your on a budget. Ive have no experience of the other echo units in the same price range but im sure they could be used in the same way.Just pointing out that sometimes the very basic setup is more than enough to get a decent sound. Regards Tony. ps *** and admin. If ive posted this in the wrong thread please feel free to move it.. www.4shared.com/mp3/k6PuTuU7/wonderful_land_2.html
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Post by strat64 on Jan 24, 2012 14:27:03 GMT
Hi telstar,
Congrat's, it sound just "wonderful" to me! You have done a nice version of this tune, and the sound in your guitar are perfect for it! Have you only used the Magicstomp and the Boss EQ when recording the lead, without no amp sims?I ask because I also have a Magicstomp but I use it together with my Tonelab! Regards Bo
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Post by zager on Jan 24, 2012 14:43:15 GMT
Hi Bo, I usually have the Tonelab connected all the time. Sometimes the Vamp.They are not used on this occasion.The chain is Guitar/Magicstomp/Boss/pc. Thanks for your comments. Regards Tony.
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Post by didier on Jan 24, 2012 18:27:05 GMT
Good result. Adding some EQ to the echo unit is obviously a good idea.
Didier
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Post by zager on Jan 24, 2012 19:21:05 GMT
hi chocdee. sent you a pm. regards tony
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Post by zager on Jan 24, 2012 19:27:01 GMT
hi Didier, the magicstomp on its own is not enough.Thanks for the comment. Regards Tony
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Post by shadowhankron on Jan 25, 2012 9:10:52 GMT
Hi Tony
What a Flawless version you played.. it was Excellent and to think what equipment you played through. You mention you used a Squier guitar which version ?
Again Excellent Playing Tony
regards
Ronnie
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Post by asimmd on Jan 25, 2012 14:40:37 GMT
Hi Tony
What an excellent soundfile,well done.
Just a thought,would you give some details as to what EQ you added to help the sound,It may help others who are following your example.
Thanks
Alan
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Post by zager on Jan 26, 2012 1:02:19 GMT
Hi Ronnie, thanks for your comment. The guitar is a Fender Squire Silver Series made in Japan. They would be similar spec to the Hank Marvin Squires. I think anybody buying a second hand squire and changed all the hardware out, put in a set of ironstones,they would have as good a guitar as some of the dearer models. Made in Japan would be my first choice followed by the early Korean models.Regards Tony
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Post by zager on Jan 26, 2012 1:15:14 GMT
Hi Alan, thanks for your comment. There was no boost added to any freq. there was cuts @100hz and @4khz. Everything in between was more or less flat. With different guitars and different pickups the eq I would think would be different anyway. Im no expert on equalizers. I just messed about until I got something that sounded right.Regards Tony
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Post by George Lewis on Jan 26, 2012 8:53:04 GMT
Hi Alan, thanks for your comment. There was no boost added to any freq. there was cuts @100hz and @4khz. Everything in between was more or less flat. With different guitars and different pickups the eq I would think would be different anyway. Im no expert on equalizers. I just messed about until I got something that sounded right.Regards Tony [/size] Hi Tony, Nice to find someone who uses the same scientific method as I do !! (Nice sound file also) cheers George
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Post by arnulf on Jan 26, 2012 9:43:09 GMT
Great playing and great tone! Wel done! Regards Arnulf
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Post by zager on Jan 26, 2012 15:32:25 GMT
hi George and Arnulf, thank you for your comments. Appreciate it. Regards Tony
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Post by zager on Jan 26, 2012 15:53:33 GMT
hi graham,(The Saint) im replying here to your pm. it seems you might not have got my email. I sent it via the address you sent. can you let me know if you got it. if not i can sent it again. regards tony
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Post by john44 on Jan 27, 2012 4:28:52 GMT
Hi Tony That was a very sweet sound and very well played I know Charlie rates the magic stomp very highly and what you have produced really puts the proper use of simple gear into persepctive . I have always beleived that you dont need to spend thousands on equiptment to get a very good shadows sound Cheers John44
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Post by The Saint on Jan 27, 2012 15:28:29 GMT
Hi Tony
Thanks, got your email..
I enjoyed your version. I'm getting a MagicStomp this week and if I can get a sound as good as that, I'll be very pleased.
Graham
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Post by zager on Jan 28, 2012 0:57:25 GMT
Hi John44, thank you for your comments. There are people who are looking for perfection when it comes to the early sound of the shadows,but you can go round in circles for a long time before you realise your back where you started. And a lot poorer.Regards Tony
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Post by zager on Jan 28, 2012 1:00:22 GMT
Hi Graham, Glad you got my email and hope it helped. Thanks for your comments. Regards Tony
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Post by dragonman on Apr 17, 2012 16:19:39 GMT
Hi Tony. An earlier post referred to Ironstones. Am I right in assuming these are Gold pups. I have a MIM strat, and am looking at replacing the standard ceramic pups. Will the difference justify the (albeit reasonable) cost. I should mention tghat the strat is new, only bought it a couple of weeks ago.
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Post by zager on Apr 17, 2012 19:02:22 GMT
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Post by somebodyelseuk on Apr 18, 2012 12:57:34 GMT
If I was making a recommendation to anyone starting from scratch for home recording on a budget looking to get close to 'THE sound' (let's assume they can already play competently and have a capable PC), I'd say get a Vintage V6 guitar - you won't even need to change the pickups - (~£160), Tascam US-200 interface (~£140), Reaper V4 DAW (~£40), Jamstix 3 (~£30), eTap 2 (£0), Amplitube 3 (~£200). Aside from the guitar, this is pretty much what I use and have had reasonable success this week in getting 'that sound', using eTap2/AT3 Vox AC15 sim (with included valve compressor sim)/Reaper's included EQ. I'm not actually working to a budget, but am 'allergic' to spending daft amounts of money if I don't need to. There is an amp sim included with Reaper, but since I have AT3 already, I haven't tried it, though I'm told it's pretty good, and IF you search hard enough, I believe there are some very good FREE amp sims available. Ordinarily, I don't play/record Shadows material, but I have a little project going with my Dad at the moment, but it goes to show that you CAN get very close without spending massive amounts of money - and I only spent about 5 minutes this morning dabbling with the plugins. I expect, when I get serious I should be able to get a lot closer. So far, so good for us. We have got the atmosphere/ambience bang on, it's really just a case of fine tuning the tone. Cheers, Julian
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2012 13:19:21 GMT
HI- ZAGER ,,GREAT-PLAYING indeed ,,,GREAT sound also & yes it show's what many of us believe !!!!! IT is a combination of all factors ,[ie] guitarist,guitar, echo unit. amp & EQ-settings ,Get this all together & get that sound ,,,,as you most certainly have done.. I also Agree that the Magic-Stomp EFPT is a great pedal ,only IMOP topped by the Q2 -79-09 charlie hall patch set .. GOODONYOU- MATE,,,,,,,,,,,BARRY..
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Post by specky on Apr 19, 2012 23:09:49 GMT
Nice playing and sound (advice)Zager the thing that bothers me is - apart from never being a great guitar player - is one day you think you have a near enough sound next day its gone -- now I find that everyone is tweaking and EQing all over the place I still think a lot of the sound can depend on playing position, the strings and your pick ;D ;D so take your pick ;D ;D I use G2 with Charlies patches into the BR600 and one day I can get a sound that makes my ears go wiggley- next day-it sounds cxxxxp I think maybe tweaking has a lot going for it - just curious -does anyone use a Strat just plugged into an amp anymore -without an arsenal of pedals and effects curious Tommy
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Post by zager on Apr 20, 2012 17:19:59 GMT
Hi Julian. Sorry I cant comment on any of your recomdations.I have read reviews about amplitube but at £200 is it really that much better than reaper at £40. There are some good plugins but i havent used any of them. The one I would like to use is reverb,but as I use an old version of cool edit for recording it doesn’t recognise it. Regards Tony
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Post by zager on Apr 20, 2012 17:30:44 GMT
Hi Barry, thank you for your kind comments. I bought the magic stomp for something completely different in mind as I had not heard of Charlies site or his EFTP at the time. In the end it turned out to be a good buy for me. I would agree with your opinion that the Q2 is better than the magicstomp. Regards Tony
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Post by zager on Apr 20, 2012 18:11:40 GMT
Hi Tommy, it happens to most of us. You record somethimg that you think sounds great then the next day as you say it sounds rubbish. The best advice I could give is to get the sound as close as you can to what you want,so that you have less tweaking to do.All the better if you dont need any.If its not close to begin with the more tweaking you do it usually end up worse than when you started. The playing postion pick and strings do make a difference as you say. Re using an amp. I tried different setups as an experiment.One included micing an amp with guitar and echo. One was with the tonelab and one with the vamp. The best result I got on this ocassion was with the magicstomp on its own with the boss eq. Regards Tony
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Post by somebodyelseuk on Apr 20, 2012 21:10:38 GMT
Hi Julian. Sorry I cant comment on any of your recomdations.I have read reviews about amplitube but at £200 is it really that much better than reaper at £40. There are some good plugins but i havent used any of them. The one I would like to use is reverb,but as I use an old version of cool edit for recording it doesn’t recognise it. Regards Tony Hiya Tony. Reaper is the DAW I use... we might be getting our wires crossed (?)...there is an amp sim that is included with it that has a reasonable AC30 sim - tried it the other day and got quite a good result. Reaper has tons of pretty good plugins included. If you haven't tried it, it really is worth a look. I use Amplitube 3 in the majority of my recording, in order to not upset my neighbours. I happen to be recording some Shadows material with my father, normally, I record my own material which is very different. To be honest, I couldn't get a decent Shadows sound from AT3 until I saw the TVS3 clips on youtube and hey presto, it all fell into place. Whether AT3 is worth £200? If you're just doing Shadows material, no it isn't. There will be a good free AC15/30 sim somewhere on the net if you search long enough. AT3 is versatile for me in that I can mess with mic positioning, cabinet/speaker combinations, virtual room/studio size and I can record my results to separate tracks. I'm really not a recording expert, but I'm getting results that I'm really happy with and , I'm tod, the reverbs included with Reaper are very good, though I haven't used them myself. If we're talking hardware, my Dad's getting really good results from a Fender Performer Roc Pro 1000 with echoes that I setup for him on a Zoom G3 using three echo effects set in line to mimic a multi head tape echo (the preprogrammed Zoom multitaps are really awful). He's using a 20 year old Fender Japan 54 Reissue with Dean Markley 9-42s. At the end of the day, you could play through the actual equipment that was used on the recordings and still not sound the same. I'd be willing to bet if HBM played my gear - Blade R4/Boogie, he'd still sound like HBM. Cheers Julian
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Post by zager on Apr 20, 2012 23:35:57 GMT
Hi Julian, will have a look at the you tube clip. Thanks for the info. Regards Tony
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Post by normg on Apr 20, 2012 23:58:54 GMT
Hi tony, what model boss eq are you using. Cheers norm
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Post by specky on Apr 21, 2012 0:52:03 GMT
Hi Tony thanks for your advice
I have to say Im trying hard to get "that sound - but having been around the block a couple of times and not gigging anymore and money is too tight to mention ;D i will take all the hints and advice I pick up on the site thank you guys Julian you certainly know your guitars and gear and Im taking on board all you have written -thank you I must say Im looking forward to hearing you and your Dad posting some recordings regards all Tommy
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