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Post by garfield on Nov 8, 2014 20:03:03 GMT
Hello everybody,Im new to this forum but certainly not new to playing guitar.
To cut a long story short I started playing 25yrs ago when I was 17. Became obsessed really and was always a real fan of playing Hank/Shadows sound. I still love the sound.
10 yrs ago I got diagnosed with a rare and task specific musicians' disorder called Focal Dystonia, more commonly known as Writers' Cramp (although in fairness hardly heard of)
I was devastated at this and even though I could still play pretty well I downed my gear and stopped playing and teaching. Thankfully,I did keep it all!
Whilst trawling YouTube last week I came across a guy playing loads of Hank stuff. His name is Phil McGarrick. Im sure you will have seen him. I was amazed at how close his sound was to that of Hanks.
I mailed him and asked him what he was using and he has the Kinman Pick ups an Alesis Quadraverb Q2.
Ive been messing with my guitars again this past few weeks and I reckon my condition wont hamper me enough to prevent me playing most things, just a bit if a hindrance at times.
I've been looking around at other units aswell and noticed the Zoom RFX2000 keeps getting a mention. Loaded with the EFTP sounds can anyone tell me how good these units in terms of creating the modern Hank sound. They seem reasonable in price,around £90 second hand compared to £250 for the Alesis.
Many thanks
Garfield
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Post by mojolomjl on Nov 8, 2014 20:41:23 GMT
Hi Garfield,
First of all a very warm welcome to this very friendly and informative site.
If you look on the home page near the top and click on EFTP purchasing you will
see a topic saying Effects units for which programs are available, if you click
on this there is a list of all EFTP programmable units in order of Charlie's
preference, I'm sure you will find one to suit.
Best regards,
Maurice.
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Post by garfield on Nov 8, 2014 21:38:16 GMT
Hello Maurice,
Thankyou for the warm welcome and for the info. I've had a quick look and it seems the Zoom RFX2000 is low on the list of favourites.
This being the case I may be looking into the Alesis Quadraverb unit in the future.
Many thanks
Garfield
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Post by sandra on Nov 9, 2014 4:18:27 GMT
I have just bought a Zoom G5 off the well known auction site 30 minutes ago and once it arrives I will be selling my Zoom G9.2tt complete with registered EFTP patches if you are interested.
I think you will see that it is rated quiet a bit higher up Charlie's list than the Zoom RFX2000 and the Quadraverb but lower than the Q2 but I think you would be very happy with one.
I havent decided what to ask for it yet so I am open to offers, it is in very good condition but there are a few scuff marks on the front edge, as you would expect on a foot operated pedal.
If you live anywhere near me (5 minutes or less from Junction 12 of the M65 in Lancashire), you are welcome to come and have a look at it and try it out.
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Post by timryland on Nov 9, 2014 9:33:56 GMT
Hi Garfield,
I've been using a Zoom 508 and RFX2000 for a couple of years now. The RFX2000 gives the better sound, and to be honest I'm more than happy with it. It all depends on how much you're desperate for 'That Sound'. I play a lot of other music, mainly Classic Rock/Blues, so I'm happy with my Shadows sound I get.
I picked mine up for £35 at a local Cash Converters, if it hadn't been such a bargain I would probably have stuck with the 508 until it gave up, then got one of the newer units, other other pedals.
Tim.
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Post by sixchannel on Nov 9, 2014 10:05:56 GMT
Ditto timryland.
I have an RFX2000EFTP and a Q2EFTP.
Most of my recording are done with the RFX2000. I find the echoes very acceptable. The Q2 patches seem sometimes to be oversaturated, and odd ones don't sound right (IMPHO). EG - Flingel Bunt patch on RFX2000 sounds spot on but doesn't seem to have enough of the right "bounce"on the Q2. Many will argue otherwise and I know Charlie put a huge amount of expertise, time and effort in getting the patches on ALL units to sound as good as he could - given the constraints of the unit itself AT THE TIME.
Remember that the echo unit is only part of the chain, starting (again IMPHO) with trying to " play" like Hank.
Just my two penn'orth.
Cheers
Ian
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Post by Charlie Hall on Nov 9, 2014 11:08:12 GMT
That link appears to be dated 03-10-2012, nearly 2 years old. Why did you bother to even post it near the end of 2014? If you are trying to make a point to others that units EFTP supplies patches for are no longer available then good news, the G3 and G3X and G5 are current models. Charlie |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2014 11:23:24 GMT
did you not read the the last line , i never seen the date,(thought it was current) , hence the update note,  |
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Post by Charlie Hall on Nov 9, 2014 13:10:31 GMT
Bull!!!!
If the link doesn't work then you wouldn't have posted it in the first place.
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Post by mojolomjl on Nov 9, 2014 17:23:28 GMT
Hi Garfield,
What has just happened on this thread is a very rare event, please don't let it put you
off enjoying this great site.
Best regards,
Maurice.
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Post by sixchannel on Nov 9, 2014 18:54:31 GMT
I agree.
Pick up the thread at Post 6 and lets take it from there.
cheers
ian
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Post by Charlie Hall on Nov 9, 2014 20:01:55 GMT
Hi garfield,
I am very sorry to have had to interrupt your thread. As you may have seen, an unnecessary post was deleted by its author, a typical trick that I have seen many times, and now the author took exception to my reply (with no consideration as to whether I took exception to his!) and wants to leave the site.
However, I want to keep this thread intact. I hope you understand.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by garfield on Nov 9, 2014 21:44:19 GMT
Hi all,
To be honest I thought it was all a bit of friendly banter! Wasn't sure what was going on. I'm certainly not put off anyway so fear not.
I could do with a few more explanations regarding the units mentioned and the EFTP patches.
So,my assumption thus far is that we take a certain effects unit be it Zoom,Boss,Alesis or whatever.
Am I right in saying that the units are all capable of producing the Hank sounds we strive for (obviously with personal preference) but that Charlie has worked meticulously to work out what the settings for them all and write them into a programmable format?
I have two multi FX floor units at home. One Ive had since 1996 and it's the Boss ME-8. Which I like. The other is a Boss GT-8 which I picked up mint from the well known auction site recently for just £100. Not a mark on it. Looks like an airliner cockpit so need to get to grips with it!
Are any of these units capable of producing the goods re the Hank sound?
My favourite sound is on a video from years ago called just Hank Marvin. He's sat with Askold Buk (or something like that) and plays Sleepwalk just off the cuff. Beautiful sound.
Thanks in advance
Garfield
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Post by sixchannel on Nov 9, 2014 22:02:37 GMT
"Just Hank Marvin"? If he was using his own gear for the recording, he might well have been using the Alesis Q20EFTP, the later version of the Q2EFTP. I'm sure CH will know.
Sleepwalk - IMO you get that awesome echo on an RFX2000EFTP patch 36, or Q2EFTP patch 30. Remember to use Middle pup with the Tone rolled off a little.
Cheers
Ian
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Post by Charlie Hall on Nov 9, 2014 22:15:13 GMT
Hi Garfield, Friendly banter!!!  Reminds me of Basil Fawlty being rude to one of his guests and then explaining to another that it's all a bit of fun and he loves being treated like it! Hank was using a Q2 with my EFTP patches on the Just Hank Marvin video. The EFTP patches vary a bit from unit to unit, but I will only stoop so low! Others have their own opinions, but the reasons the RFX-2000 is low on my list is because it does not have inputs that match a guitar very well at all, and the echoes sound static when you just play a note, as there is no wow and flutter at all. Things improve with a suitable preamp or other interface such as a buffered effects pedal between the guitar and the RFX-2000, and when the tremolo arm is used to good effect. Regards, Charlie |
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Post by sixchannel on Nov 9, 2014 22:35:58 GMT
Its a bit like the song "when Love was all we had". lol! It was deemed superb at the time cos there was nowt else to compare it too, and for a few years WAS the class of the field. I still like it- I have a mild set Compressor in the line and I can wobble that whammy with the best of them. I use the Mic input socket on the front that helps a little with the mismatch.
I have a mate who still uses a Zoom EFTP 508 pedal.
With TVS at very silly money, I'm looking forward to the Hall & Collins unit when it comes out.
Cheers
Ian
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Post by garfield on Nov 11, 2014 21:37:52 GMT
I found the Just Hank Marvin 'video' on youtube and had a quick look through it. Had to find it online since I dont posess a VCR anymore!!
Am I to assume Charlie that you are the 'fan' that Hank mentions who worked out all the echoes and put them into patches?
Regards
Garfield
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Post by Charlie Hall on Nov 11, 2014 21:45:08 GMT
Hi Garfield,
Yes, It is me who Hank is talking about in the video and he is using a Q2 programmed by me in it.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by garfield on Nov 12, 2014 1:08:58 GMT
Wow...how cool is that?!
I dont want this to sound like a personal question but did he pay you for it?
What process did he have to go through before your patches?
Did you meet him?
Regards
Garfield
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Post by Charlie Hall on Nov 12, 2014 1:29:54 GMT
Hi Garfield,
I did not ask for any payment because if I had, I would have felt like I was trying to sell him something that was already his. I have met him several times, usually when setting up patches for tours.
The patches took months to even arrive at the first set. There was still a lot to learn at that point. I devised a way of measuring the delay times extremely accurately and was able to verify the results by getting the same timings from certain different tunes. After a while it was possible to figure out which echo units were used on each tune in most cases. There were some tunes that were difficult to measure as there was either so much reverb it masked the echoes, or there just weren't any damped notes to get timings from.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by dragonman on Nov 12, 2014 20:09:09 GMT
Hi Garfield, and welcome.
After a lay-off, during which I sold my quadraverb GT, which with Charlie's patches was excellent, on returning to playing, I purchased 2 Quadraverb GTs, both of which were faulty. Finding a good one is now becoming difficult, so I bought the new Zoom G3. Purchased Charlie's patches, and the results are indeed first class, and at a fraction of the price of a Q2 or Q20, which are now quite "elderly". Not that I would in any way criticize these effects machines, and if I had managed to get a reasonable quality one, I would now be using a Quadraverb, as in the past.
However, do not overlook the new Zoom machines, G3 or G5, as they are "new" technology and give superb results.
Cheers
Richard
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Post by Steve Reynolds on Nov 13, 2014 8:17:23 GMT
i can recomend the G3, i brought one to mess around with and they are fairly simple to control and get the hang of and of course made for guitar with tuner etc all in
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Post by garfield on Nov 13, 2014 9:05:31 GMT
Firstly many thanks to everybody who has replied to this thread, this is indeed,as promised,a very friendly and informative site.
I'll give the Zooms a coat of looking at since reports suggest they are so good,especially the G5 rated on here as second only behind the Quadraverbs.
I was never big on Zoom in the mid 90s. Always used Boss. But if the folk on here say they're upto the job then I'm happy with that.
Secondly to Charlie,I presume you've met Hank during the set up and him using your patches. What's he like? Nice chap?
Regards
Garfield
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Post by Charlie Hall on Nov 13, 2014 12:19:55 GMT
Hi Garfield,
I found Hank to be a really nice genuine person. Very much like you see him anywhere else.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by Roger... on Nov 14, 2014 19:04:36 GMT
Hi Garfield,
I use the both the RFX2000 and the Yamaha MagicStomp at home (not both together at the same time) and find both of them excellent. Also we use a RFX2000 at our Guitar club and it's sound is excellent. You would definitely not be disappointed with it. Because of the mis-match input impedance as mentioned in an earlier post, I use a BOSS GE-7 pedal (as an impedance matcher/buffer) in between the guitar and the RFX2000. The result is excellent.
Kind regards
Roger
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Post by sixchannel on Nov 14, 2014 19:11:28 GMT
Hi Garfield, I use the both the RFX2000 and the Yamaha MagicStomp at home (not both together at the same time) and find both of them excellent. Also we use a RFX2000 at our Guitar club and it's sound is excellent. You would definitely not be disappointed with it. Because of the mis-match input impedance as mentioned in an earlier post, I use a BOSS GE-7 pedal in between the guitar and the RFX2000. The result is excellent. Kind regards Roger I agree with Roger. Its used by everyone in the Club and is excellent despite its age and lack of original suitability. I know its set up using the Send - Return but I get better results, when using my own gear at Gigs etc to use the front (mic) input - much better impedance. cheers ian |
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Post by delboywww on Aug 30, 2015 17:30:26 GMT
"If you look on the home page near the top and click on EFTP purchasing you will
see a topic saying Effects units for which programs are available"
Hi,
Can anyone tell me where this link is as I do not seem to be able to find it?
Thanks
Del
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Post by Viv on Aug 30, 2015 18:20:15 GMT
Hi, Can anyone tell me where this link is as I do not seem to be able to find it? That link has been removed since Charlie stopped selling EFTP.
This is now the only site where yo can get them. www.hallsecho.com/products.html
Viv
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Post by delboywww on Aug 30, 2015 18:44:42 GMT
Many thanks Viv.
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Reminds me of Basil Fawlty being rude to one of his guests and then explaining to another that it's all a bit of fun and he loves being treated like it!
