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Post by geofftiny on May 13, 2015 9:09:54 GMT
Hi Steve,
Just wondering if you managed to solve the problem of derekb 's Mustang amp not working with H&C Unit. You may have seen from the posts I've got a Mustang (and a vested interest) in hoping it will work. I sent Derek some settings which work fine with my Magicstomp, so hope its not a compatibility problem. Well done on your efforts so far of giving some excellent examples of performance of the echo unit. Its a real help when making decisions of how much real difference will spending £600 make to my live sound. All the best, Geoff
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Post by Charlie Hall on May 13, 2015 9:37:34 GMT
Hi Geoff, I am taking Derek and his Mustang amp to the factory tomorrow to see what is going on with these amps. Hopefully by the end of the day we will know. Regards, Charlie
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Post by geofftiny on May 13, 2015 12:46:43 GMT
Excellent Charlie. Thanks for keeping me in the picture. Hopefully you'll have a fruitful day. I don't know what Mustang amp model Derek has, but mine's a Mustang 3 v2, so if there is any problem, hope they sorted it before building mine. Look forward to hearing the outcome. All the best, Geoff
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Post by alisap on May 13, 2015 16:40:59 GMT
Hi Charlie. My unit arrived last week,"sound" and safe. Many thanks to everyone involved in this Project. It`s been a joy for me to try out the various "vintage" echo settings HCSE offered. Among other amps,I`ve played through a Fender MustangI. The built-in tuner works as it`s suppose to do. Leds are used to indicate the note of the string being tuned. There`s no sound heard,only the leds are lit up. Regards alisap.
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Post by Charlie Hall on May 13, 2015 17:08:00 GMT
Hi alisap, Thank you for your report, and glad to know you are pleased with your Hall & Collins unit. Thank you also for letting us know the tuner in the Mustang 1 works as it is supposed to do. Regards, Charlie
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Post by derekb on May 13, 2015 17:34:10 GMT
Hello Charlie, Just seen your latest posting on the forum about tomorrow but havn't heard from you re the arrangements. Is it still on. Regards, Derek B.
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Post by derekb on May 13, 2015 17:39:48 GMT
Hello, Just in response to "ALisap"s posting re the mustang tuner. I am aware that the tuner only indicates tuning with a light and not any sound. Steve Reynolds from the forum also tried it when he came round and it didn't work for him either so we both can't be wrong. Regards, Derek B.
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Post by Charlie Hall on May 13, 2015 17:47:53 GMT
Hi Derek, I'm confused now. Not difficult to achieve! I'll discuss it with you tomorrow, I'm sure it will be much easier then. I will phone you shortly. Regards, Charlie
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Post by Steve Reynolds on May 14, 2015 7:33:49 GMT
Hi Steve, Just wondering if you managed to solve the problem of derekb 's Mustang amp not working with H&C Unit. You may have seen from the posts I've got a Mustang (and a vested interest) in hoping it will work. I sent Derek some settings which work fine with my Magicstomp, so hope its not a compatibility problem. Well done on your efforts so far of giving some excellent examples of performance of the echo unit. Its a real help when making decisions of how much real difference will spending £600 make to my live sound. All the best, Geoff Hi Geoff I spent the evening at Dereks last week experimenting with different parts trying to get to the solution. We tried different leads, my amp, echo units guitars etc and it appears to be a problem with grounding on the amp that is amplified with the echo unit whether it is the frequency it works or not but we found it slightly reduced using plug sockets in the house rather than the conservatory. A simple earthing box should solve the problem. I have a similiar issue with the Vox mini 3 indoors with the hall and collins echo, its only apparent as you turn up the gain but my ac30 it is completley silent. I have tried the tuner on my blackstar with the hall and collins and it works just fine but the one on the mustang was way off, with the echo on its showing 3 steps above normal pitch and with the echo off its 2 steps above normal pitch and no matter what we did we couldnt correct it. It works fine on the mustang if the echo isnt in the chain. The Mustang amp is good all rounder and is capable of producing the early shads sound but the grounding noise was so loud is was greater than the guitar notes so really didnt sound good. Regards Steve
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Post by geofftiny on May 14, 2015 16:28:04 GMT
Hi Steve,
Thanks for all your feedback. What a shame you didn't manage to get a quality sound after all that work. It will be interesting to see if Charlie can isolate the problem. I know there was a problem with the original Mustangs and excessive noise, but I've got v2 and its got no background noise at all until the gain is turned right up, as you would expect. As I said to Charlie, I've used YMS & Q2 & Q20 & Zoom G7 and all have been noiseless, so hope its ends up an easy solution. Thanks again. Kind Regards, Geoff
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Post by Charlie Hall on May 14, 2015 21:19:28 GMT
To anyone who has a hum problem with the Mustang amps, a fix is now possible. Derek's Mustang amp is now virtually silent when used with his Hall & Collins unit, and the built in tuner of the amp works too. Anyone who still has this problem please report to Derek on the support email address. Regards, Charlie
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Post by gruntfuttock on May 15, 2015 1:49:24 GMT
To Charlie and users of the new H & C echo unit.
I have a question re the H & C unit. Not sure if I'm posting in the right section - so don't mind if admin move it. (I feel a song coming on!)
Apart from Shadow numbers, I play in a band playing mainly 60's & 70's numbers. Can the H & C unit be used as an overdrive - or at least to produce an overdriven valve sound?
Thanks in advance, Dave
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Post by derekb on May 15, 2015 6:52:50 GMT
Hello, Just a quick note to thank Charlie and John C for their time and patience in sorting out the problem with my unit and Mustang amp. Very much appreciated. regards, Derek B.
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Post by Charlie Hall on May 15, 2015 7:31:15 GMT
Hi Dave, I really don't think the preamp in the Hall & Collins unit will be very effective for overdriven sounds. Any distortion it would be capable of producing would be clipped on one side of the signal far more than the other side, this is known as assymetrical drive, and it would require a much larger signal then the one from your guitar to have anything like a distortion effect anyway. A separate suitable overdrive or distortion unit placed at the appropriate place in the signal chain will be much better for what you want to achieve.
Hi Derek, Thanks for your message. We are very happy to have found the fix for you.
Regards, Charlie
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Post by gruntfuttock on May 15, 2015 7:54:38 GMT
Hi Charlie. Many thanks for your reply. I do own several O/D pedals so no problem. I was hoping to eliminate some pedals from my pedal board. I'm hoping to purchase a unit from the batch due at at the end of June and have been in contact with Derek.
Thanks again, Dave
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