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Post by scanners on Feb 10, 2020 23:41:07 GMT
Josh Scott of JHS pedals going through the history of tape echo, he’s a bit confused he said The Shadows used a Watkins copycat , a few people pointed out in the comments Hank used a Meazzi and never used a Watkins youtu.be/Bja7B3uR6QIMatthew
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Post by fenderplucker on Feb 11, 2020 2:08:01 GMT
Not a very comprehensive (or even accurate) history of "tape" echoes. Paul.
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Post by shawbridge on Feb 11, 2020 9:07:01 GMT
It’s obvious to me that the guy here, has just been fed the information from another source and reading ofF a script, had he researched himself then perhaps his script would have been more accurate. My 6 year old grandson would find that the Shadows used a Meazzi, in a 5 mins search, to be fair most of the info is about right, mostly ha ha🙄 Peteru
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Post by joachimlefty on Feb 11, 2020 18:26:28 GMT
Unfortunately he almost does not point out the benefits of multihead echo even when he is demoing the roland and echofix machines. I guess there where no multi head echos in the US back then ? well, come to think of it wasn't reverb more of an American effect as opposed to multihead echo in Europe ? anyway it is a nice episode he did. joachim
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Post by scanners on Feb 12, 2020 3:42:06 GMT
Yeah America went down the spring reverb path more in the 60s with the Ventures Dick Dale Beach Boys , tape echo made a resurgence in the 70s for them They never used multi head echo mostly echoplexs to my knowledge Matthew
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Post by peterbower on Feb 17, 2020 8:44:16 GMT
We can thank Joe Brown for Hank's sound, Joe had a Meazzi drum echo ( no idea where he got it from or why ) but he gave it to Hank saying he had no use for it. It had recording tape wrapped round the edge of the drum which in turn rubbed on the heads, trouble was the tape did not last long and Dick Denny said he was for ever replacing the tape. Not sure how long Hank used it for and what tracks were recorded with it, but I think it soon got retired for a Meazzi tape echo. I'm no expert on the chronology but when did the VOX Long Tom come on the scene which was basically a re badged Meazzi with mods, so I read. There was also a Binson period. in fact I went to a Shads gig at a local dance hall in the late 60's and I saw a Baby Binson on a chair next to his amp.
Pete
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Post by didier on Feb 17, 2020 9:07:59 GMT
We can thank Joe Brown for Hank's sound, Joe had a Meazzi drum echo ( no idea where he got it from or why ) but he gave it to Hank saying he had no use for it. This is not quite the real story, Joe Brown only lended his Meazzi to Hank so he could test it. He liked it, so he asked Jennings who imported them to get him one... But Hank didn't buy or was given Joe Brown's Meazzi ! Didier
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Post by shawbridge on Feb 17, 2020 9:34:30 GMT
Hi Didiar, The story I was told was that Joe Brown didn’t like it so he gave it to Hank and was it not under the vox label, Vox echo?? Pete
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Post by bazmusicman on Feb 17, 2020 10:29:29 GMT
Ahh....perhaps someone close to Joe or Hank could ask them to reveal the true version?
Regards, Baz.
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Post by peterbower on Feb 17, 2020 11:26:33 GMT
I met Joe Brown a few years ago and asked him about the Meazzi, all he said was, I gave it to Hank to try out Pete
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Post by bor64 on Feb 17, 2020 11:45:05 GMT
Guys,
It's well published in Hanks own words over and over again, how it went with the echo... that he not get the echo neither lent it from Joe Brown....Joe showed him and demoed it and Hank tried it and not take it with him! Hank recognised the merits of the machine, because it was the sound he was after like the USA guitar players had! In London Hank got a (strange enough) earlier unit Echomatic 1 as Joe's sample.
Cheers Rob
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Post by garystrat on Feb 18, 2020 6:58:13 GMT
I came across this YouTube video, where Hank talks about his introduction to Joe Brown! www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1uLlhiveLMSupports what Rob is saying! Regards Gary PS: Sorry Didier and your relating of events too!
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Post by didier on Feb 18, 2020 9:29:11 GMT
In this interview Hank says he tested Joe Brown's echo box and liked it, went back to London and got one of those from Vox...
Which confirms that Hank didn't kept Joe's one, and got his from Jennings (Vox) as I wrote in my previous message...
Didier
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Post by Steve Reynolds on Feb 18, 2020 12:39:27 GMT
wonder what happened to Joes one then
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Post by peterbower on Feb 18, 2020 13:00:48 GMT
He probably kept it, It was only lent to Hank to see if he liked it, not given to him to keep. the rest is history, I moved on to digital echo more for convenience and reliability, I still have my old Roland RE-301 which is the same as Hank used years ago but its big and heavy.
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Post by bor64 on Feb 18, 2020 18:51:30 GMT
Hank says in the interview "Joe toke me aside as he does and show me this little box with several knobs on the front...and give me his Gibson 335 and it has this marvellous slap tap echo wow" etc ........ "and I go back to London and got one from Vox"
The phrase of Joe in later years, about this happening (I lend it to Hank) has to be actually "I lend it to Hank for five minutes" is actually what really happened according to Hank.
Never ever is told by Hank or others he tried it(borrowed) for a longer time!
So guys please stop the detail misinformation, about such a simple but important happening...
Cheers Rob
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Post by bor64 on Feb 18, 2020 18:57:59 GMT
Hi Peter,
I sold my Roland RE301 with 11 tapes years ago... The EFTP echo's made it redundant. I've bought last year (just curiosity) two cheap NUX pedals, one is the Tape Core Deluxe that emulates the RE-301 very good!
Cheers Rob
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Post by peterbower on Feb 20, 2020 8:51:57 GMT
Yes, I have EFTP on my Q-20 and never use the 301 these days, just reluctant to sell it for keeps sake, it was my RE-301 that Charlie Hall borrowed to copy the echoes for the Roland RE-301 patches on EFTP I have been making and selling tapes for the Roland's for years but the market is drying up as people go digital, Bands like Radio Head, New Model Army, Simple minds and Keiser Chiefs still buy tapes off me, but I think they are now using digital.
I was very impressed with the Roland digital space echo and the RE-3, which is rumoured Hank used on a few recordings. The NUX pedals sound like a good buy.
Good subject Rob
Pete
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Post by bor64 on Feb 20, 2020 10:06:16 GMT
Hi Pete,
Perhaps these rumours are true....he seems to used RE-3's on Theme from the snowman aka Walking in the air. They say perhaps combining more then two who knows??? Maybe Charlie knows?
Cheers Rob
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Post by Charlie Hall on Feb 20, 2020 10:43:30 GMT
I don't know. I don't believe a single unit was used on The Snowman or if it was it was utilised more than once. The RE-3 is supposed to have a maximum delay time of 300 ms and The Snowman has a maximum delay time of more than twice that. An RE-301 is close to that and individual examples are known to have varied from each other somewhat, indeed, Hank's RE-301 units in the UK ran at a different speed to Peter's one, I think they were a bit faster. Maybe on The Snowman the RE-3 was used in conjunction with another type of unit. Regards, Charlie
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Post by peterbower on Feb 20, 2020 10:55:58 GMT
Its difficult to find out these things as the history and memories fail us and Hank's memory for that matter, I remember some one mentioning years ago that Hank may have used 2 RE-3 together, its all conjecture now, It would be interesting to find out the tape speed of Hank's 301's and how that was achieved and on what head position, my 301 can run pretty fast on full speed, but I only ever used a slow speed on position 5 for the roll over echo which I liked
Peter
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Post by didier on Feb 21, 2020 9:57:51 GMT
I remember some one mentioning years ago that Hank may have used 2 RE-3 together. When he used 301s, Hank had a rack with two of them, but obviously only one was used, the other one was a spare just in case the first one would fail. He did the same later with two Q20 and two TVS3. Hank had a few echo box failures when on stage in the past, and obviously didn't want this to happen again. Remember when he played Wonderful Land without echo a the Royal Performance ! Didier
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Post by peterbower on Feb 21, 2020 10:38:59 GMT
Yes indeed, I saw Hank/Shads many times with the 2 RE-301's on stage for the reasons you describe, The alleged use of the RE-3 was apparently for recordings only and I can't remember seeing one on stage or what numbers were recorded with them. Its all a bit hazy now, but to my surprise I saw the Shads on stage at a local theatre in the mid 60's and Hank was using a baby Binson, I only ever saw that once, I remember the no echo occasion at the Royal performance,
Peter
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Post by Steve Reynolds on Feb 21, 2020 12:07:33 GMT
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Post by peterbower on Feb 21, 2020 15:53:26 GMT
I liked his Mesa Boogie period
Pete
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Post by Charlie Hall on Feb 22, 2020 2:12:09 GMT
When he used 301s, Hank had a rack with two of them, but obviously only one was used, the other one was a spare just in case the first one would fail. He did the same later with two Q20 and two TVS3. Hank had a few echo box failures when on stage in the past, and obviously didn't want this to happen again. Remember when he played Wonderful Land without echo a the Royal Performance ! Didier Hi Didier, I know the early units were unreliable. I believe the spare in those days was a Baby Binson. Hank's two stage Roland re-301 units were set up as one for the clean sound routing, the other was for the overdriven sound routing. The control settings were very different on each one and the black marks that remained on them after we purchased them showed that. Later on, from the Q2 onwards, he used two echo units for the clean sound so he then had a spare, and for the overdriven effects, one ADA MP2 and a Marshall JFX-1 for delay. Regards, Charlie
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Post by garyallen on Feb 22, 2020 8:29:11 GMT
It's interesting about the RE-3 digital echo,as it didn't exist until a year after the snowman was recorded.
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Post by peterbower on Feb 23, 2020 7:46:44 GMT
It would be interesting to find out what echo unit was used on the Snowman recording
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Post by shawbridge on Feb 23, 2020 14:50:00 GMT
Peterbower, I don’t know much about the Roland 301, dates etc but was told that it was two 301s linked up together?? Peter
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Post by peterbower on Feb 23, 2020 15:10:47 GMT
Tank's Peter, I think Charlie might be able to throw some light on this
Pete
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