Post by Kevin on Oct 28, 2008 20:17:39 GMT
From: MSN NicknameLarsGMarvingersSE (Original Message) Sent: 10/09/2008 22:08
Hi!
My next project is to build a guitar ( from parts) and I´m interested to build it like Hanks black strat so I need som good photos and maybe the schematics for the pickups. I´m interested of the info when he used singlecoil pickups.
Best regards!
Lars G. Vinger
The MARVINGERS
www.marvingers.se
www.youtube.com/marvingers
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From: Charlie Hall Sent: 10/09/2008 22:34
Hi Lars,
Didn't Hank use the DiMarzio FS-1 in the bridge position on that Strat? I understand that they are available with staggered or flat polepieces, so I would guess his might have been staggered. I cannot help thinking that there might be better choices available today. I don't know whether Hank would have had Seymour Duncans in the other two positions.
The schematic should be basically the same as stock. Probably a 0.047uf capacitor for the tone control. I think the usual 250K pots should work best.
Regards,
Charlie
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From: MSN NicknameLarsGMarvingersSE Sent: 10/09/2008 22:56
Hi Charlie!
I have read somewhere that he used Seymour Duncan in all positions, special designed, close to SSL1. I´m not sure if he used Di Marzio FS-1 on this guitar, maybe it was on the red strat in the 80´s. I have also seen photos with special pickup-selectors on the guitar (not like the 5-way switch). At the moment I´m using DiMarzio FS-1 in bridge position on my Squier and SSL1 (SD) in the middle and SSL5 (SD) and they sounds perfect on that guitar. I think the black strat was fitted with Seymour Duncans in all position but I´m not sure. There was also a 4-ply pickguard if I remember right. The knobs was also different, don´t know what type. I´m interested in all information reagarding the sound from 1978-83.
Best regards!
Lars G. Vinger
From: Charlie Hall Sent: 11/09/2008 04:22
Hi Lars,
I am fairly sure that Hank used the FS-1 in the 70's but I am not sure which Strats he would have used them on. You probably know that he played a Gibson with Marvin Welch & Farrar, so I think he wanted the fatter sound from a Strat after that.
Regards,
Charlie
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From: Ted Sent: 11/09/2008 18:58
Hi Charlie,
I don't know about the black strat but I am pretty certain that he loaded one of his first red Custom Shop strats with 2 x SD Alnico2's with the di Marzio FS-1 at the bridge.
There was an article in Guitarist at the time, - early 80's? and as a consequence I loaded my then newish Squier Marvin with what I believed to be the same arrangement. Have never changed it since and remain happy but it is a darker and slightly pokier sound than Fenders or Toneriders for that matter.
Ted
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From: MSN NicknameLarsGMarvingersSE Sent: 08/10/2008 20:45
Hi!
Just moving the message to the top.
Best regards!
Lars G. Vinger
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From: MSN NicknameRobAartsen_NL Sent: 09/10/2008 14:34
Hi Lars,
You may well remember that I did that job in the 80's...so I have a black strat 100% the same as Hank's one!
I'm at work at the moment,but I'll dig up some info when I'm home and have the time for it.
Guitar is one piece mapleneck with four bolts neckplate ,no bullet trustrod and 3 point neckplate, they made those strats between late 69 and may 71.
I did past you some info before on this matter...... I just recal it ; ))
Anyway last configuration on pu's was 3x SD SSL 1 ...fs 1 was out the last 16 months!
First 3 black knobs from Jazz Bazz lateron 3 tsrat knobs in black.
4 layer scratsplate b/w/b/w
First part of 70's 3 way switch and two black switches for extra pu combination and single coil on those humbuckers.
Lateron 5 way switch and two black switches for any pu cobination needed.....
Groetjes Rob
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From: MSN NicknameLarsGMarvingersSE Sent: 09/10/2008 16:51
Hi Rob!
Thanks for your reply. Yes you have sent me the information a few years ago. I was using another PC at that time. Most of the info from that PC is on spare CD´s but I can´t find out wich at the moment. It would be great to have the info again and some photos. I´m using SSL1 pickups on both of my guitars and they sounds great to me.
Thanks again for your reply.
Best regards!
Lars G. Vinger
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From: MSN Nicknameaceguitarist0 Sent: 09/10/2008 20:19
Lars, your guitars always sound "real cool" to me and I imagine most of the world
I enjoy your U tube vidios
Brian
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From: voxtop Sent: 10/10/2008 09:54
Rob. I assume you used gold-plated hardware as well? Did you get your Schaller 'F'stamp tuners gold-plated? They don't seem to be available off the shelf with gold finish. Hank wrote in Melody Maker (around 1977/8) that after the humbuckers were taken off the Strat he used 'Fat Strat pickups' ( i.e. all three, I assume) with the two extra switches before the SDs. I believe there was an interim period when he just used Fender single coils again before the FS1s.On the 'humbucker period', in an International Musician interview (late 1976) he said, "I experimented first with a Gibson humbucker by the bridge and it was quite a fat sound but I wasn't crazy about it, so I tried a Fender humbucker, but there's a slightly richer sound to it. I put a Gibson humbucker on the front and left the normal Fender pickup in the middle. Then I had it sprayed black, all the hardware gold-plated and I fitted Schaller machine heads". he also mentioned the coil-splitter switch for the Fender pickup (bridge), just giving the half nearest the bridge, and another switch to give any pickup combinations. Hank described the black Strat as a nice guitar with a chunky neck and a great finger board that stayed in tune well. It must count as one of the most modified Strats ever, particularly after Ben got hold of it.
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From: Didier Sent: 10/10/2008 19:58
Hi Lars,
I asked Patrice Bastien about Hank's black Strat. He is an expert on this subject. He ran for 20 years a vintage guitar import business in Paris, and sold a fiesta red 1959 Strat to Hank Marvin in 1980. Here is what he answered (my translation) :
As far as I can remember, this guitar was fitted with three humbucker PUs : one Gibson in middle position, and two Fender in neck and bridge positions.
The Gibson humbucker PU was (most lilely) an ordinary standard PU as fitted by Gibson on most guitar models at this time (early seventies) such as 335, 345 and 255 models.
At this time there was (as in the sixties) only one possible Gibson humbucker PU model. No need for long researches to make the difference !
It's the same for Fender humbucker PUs, they were the same as those which were fitted on Telecaster "Deluxe", "Custom" or "Thinline" starting in 1972.
Which means that Hank's Strat was modified at this time or later...
Another important feature is that this guitar original neck was 100% maple without set-in fingerboard and without "bullet truss rod", and it was bolt on with four screws, instead of the usual three for most guitars produced in the early seventies.
Such four screws maple necks are very rare and difficult to find on the second hand market.
I think that considering the rarity of the neck, and when you watch the two different black Strats that Hank played during the seventies (just before buying "mine" in december 1980 !) it seems that it was one and the same Strat.
As a conseqence it was certainly the same Strat with different pickguard and PUs assembly, first with humbuckers, and later with Fender single coils PUs...
Hope this helps !...
Didier
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From: MSN NicknameLarsGMarvingersSE Sent: 13/10/2008 20:18
Hi!
Thanks for the info. It would be nice to have some close up photos of the guitar, I have not found any yet.
Best regards!
Lars G. Vinger
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From: Didier Sent: 14/10/2008 07:47
Have a look at this Hank's interview on Cazz's site : www.shadowsfansite.co.uk/Hank%20Marvin%20talks%20to%20International%20Musician%20magasine1.htm
No pics, but a few words about the black Strat.
Didier
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From: MSN NicknameRobAartsen_NL Sent: 14/10/2008 08:51
Hi Lars,just have found the time to dig those pic's up from way way back in one of my backup disks.
Hope this helps....
Didier, for the most part Patriece Bastien is right,but there where never 3 humbuckers on the black strat and ther was only one black strat...wich live begun as a whitish one....
Groetjes Rob
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From: MSN NicknameDARobinson Sent: 14/10/2008 10:03
I played that black strat when it was white, not long after he bought it from Barrats in Manchester. After it was modified and painted black, two humbuckers were fitted with a single coil in the middle position.
I have a similar model but with a normal headstock , tort plate and single coils - I love it.
Dave
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From: MSN NicknameDARobinson Sent: 14/10/2008 10:22
Forgot to mention, the down side is the tin pot muty trem thingy which is being replaced ASAP with a proper arm, there's one on it's way here as I speak . . . it was commisioned by the original owner and was part of the deal, OK for some but not for me .
Dave
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From: MSN Nicknametoosmall59 Sent: 15/10/2008 10:13
That is uncanny considering I have never seen or heard about this guitar.
Photo is mine, not quite a strat but very close and I have Kinman HX's fitted.
Hi!
My next project is to build a guitar ( from parts) and I´m interested to build it like Hanks black strat so I need som good photos and maybe the schematics for the pickups. I´m interested of the info when he used singlecoil pickups.
Best regards!
Lars G. Vinger
The MARVINGERS
www.marvingers.se
www.youtube.com/marvingers
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From: Charlie Hall Sent: 10/09/2008 22:34
Hi Lars,
Didn't Hank use the DiMarzio FS-1 in the bridge position on that Strat? I understand that they are available with staggered or flat polepieces, so I would guess his might have been staggered. I cannot help thinking that there might be better choices available today. I don't know whether Hank would have had Seymour Duncans in the other two positions.
The schematic should be basically the same as stock. Probably a 0.047uf capacitor for the tone control. I think the usual 250K pots should work best.
Regards,
Charlie
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From: MSN NicknameLarsGMarvingersSE Sent: 10/09/2008 22:56
Hi Charlie!
I have read somewhere that he used Seymour Duncan in all positions, special designed, close to SSL1. I´m not sure if he used Di Marzio FS-1 on this guitar, maybe it was on the red strat in the 80´s. I have also seen photos with special pickup-selectors on the guitar (not like the 5-way switch). At the moment I´m using DiMarzio FS-1 in bridge position on my Squier and SSL1 (SD) in the middle and SSL5 (SD) and they sounds perfect on that guitar. I think the black strat was fitted with Seymour Duncans in all position but I´m not sure. There was also a 4-ply pickguard if I remember right. The knobs was also different, don´t know what type. I´m interested in all information reagarding the sound from 1978-83.
Best regards!
Lars G. Vinger
From: Charlie Hall Sent: 11/09/2008 04:22
Hi Lars,
I am fairly sure that Hank used the FS-1 in the 70's but I am not sure which Strats he would have used them on. You probably know that he played a Gibson with Marvin Welch & Farrar, so I think he wanted the fatter sound from a Strat after that.
Regards,
Charlie
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From: Ted Sent: 11/09/2008 18:58
Hi Charlie,
I don't know about the black strat but I am pretty certain that he loaded one of his first red Custom Shop strats with 2 x SD Alnico2's with the di Marzio FS-1 at the bridge.
There was an article in Guitarist at the time, - early 80's? and as a consequence I loaded my then newish Squier Marvin with what I believed to be the same arrangement. Have never changed it since and remain happy but it is a darker and slightly pokier sound than Fenders or Toneriders for that matter.
Ted
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From: MSN NicknameLarsGMarvingersSE Sent: 08/10/2008 20:45
Hi!
Just moving the message to the top.
Best regards!
Lars G. Vinger
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From: MSN NicknameRobAartsen_NL Sent: 09/10/2008 14:34
Hi Lars,
You may well remember that I did that job in the 80's...so I have a black strat 100% the same as Hank's one!
I'm at work at the moment,but I'll dig up some info when I'm home and have the time for it.
Guitar is one piece mapleneck with four bolts neckplate ,no bullet trustrod and 3 point neckplate, they made those strats between late 69 and may 71.
I did past you some info before on this matter...... I just recal it ; ))
Anyway last configuration on pu's was 3x SD SSL 1 ...fs 1 was out the last 16 months!
First 3 black knobs from Jazz Bazz lateron 3 tsrat knobs in black.
4 layer scratsplate b/w/b/w
First part of 70's 3 way switch and two black switches for extra pu combination and single coil on those humbuckers.
Lateron 5 way switch and two black switches for any pu cobination needed.....
Groetjes Rob
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From: MSN NicknameLarsGMarvingersSE Sent: 09/10/2008 16:51
Hi Rob!
Thanks for your reply. Yes you have sent me the information a few years ago. I was using another PC at that time. Most of the info from that PC is on spare CD´s but I can´t find out wich at the moment. It would be great to have the info again and some photos. I´m using SSL1 pickups on both of my guitars and they sounds great to me.
Thanks again for your reply.
Best regards!
Lars G. Vinger
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From: MSN Nicknameaceguitarist0 Sent: 09/10/2008 20:19
Lars, your guitars always sound "real cool" to me and I imagine most of the world
I enjoy your U tube vidios
Brian
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From: voxtop Sent: 10/10/2008 09:54
Rob. I assume you used gold-plated hardware as well? Did you get your Schaller 'F'stamp tuners gold-plated? They don't seem to be available off the shelf with gold finish. Hank wrote in Melody Maker (around 1977/8) that after the humbuckers were taken off the Strat he used 'Fat Strat pickups' ( i.e. all three, I assume) with the two extra switches before the SDs. I believe there was an interim period when he just used Fender single coils again before the FS1s.On the 'humbucker period', in an International Musician interview (late 1976) he said, "I experimented first with a Gibson humbucker by the bridge and it was quite a fat sound but I wasn't crazy about it, so I tried a Fender humbucker, but there's a slightly richer sound to it. I put a Gibson humbucker on the front and left the normal Fender pickup in the middle. Then I had it sprayed black, all the hardware gold-plated and I fitted Schaller machine heads". he also mentioned the coil-splitter switch for the Fender pickup (bridge), just giving the half nearest the bridge, and another switch to give any pickup combinations. Hank described the black Strat as a nice guitar with a chunky neck and a great finger board that stayed in tune well. It must count as one of the most modified Strats ever, particularly after Ben got hold of it.
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From: Didier Sent: 10/10/2008 19:58
Hi Lars,
I asked Patrice Bastien about Hank's black Strat. He is an expert on this subject. He ran for 20 years a vintage guitar import business in Paris, and sold a fiesta red 1959 Strat to Hank Marvin in 1980. Here is what he answered (my translation) :
As far as I can remember, this guitar was fitted with three humbucker PUs : one Gibson in middle position, and two Fender in neck and bridge positions.
The Gibson humbucker PU was (most lilely) an ordinary standard PU as fitted by Gibson on most guitar models at this time (early seventies) such as 335, 345 and 255 models.
At this time there was (as in the sixties) only one possible Gibson humbucker PU model. No need for long researches to make the difference !
It's the same for Fender humbucker PUs, they were the same as those which were fitted on Telecaster "Deluxe", "Custom" or "Thinline" starting in 1972.
Which means that Hank's Strat was modified at this time or later...
Another important feature is that this guitar original neck was 100% maple without set-in fingerboard and without "bullet truss rod", and it was bolt on with four screws, instead of the usual three for most guitars produced in the early seventies.
Such four screws maple necks are very rare and difficult to find on the second hand market.
I think that considering the rarity of the neck, and when you watch the two different black Strats that Hank played during the seventies (just before buying "mine" in december 1980 !) it seems that it was one and the same Strat.
As a conseqence it was certainly the same Strat with different pickguard and PUs assembly, first with humbuckers, and later with Fender single coils PUs...
Hope this helps !...
Didier
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From: MSN NicknameLarsGMarvingersSE Sent: 13/10/2008 20:18
Hi!
Thanks for the info. It would be nice to have some close up photos of the guitar, I have not found any yet.
Best regards!
Lars G. Vinger
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From: Didier Sent: 14/10/2008 07:47
Have a look at this Hank's interview on Cazz's site : www.shadowsfansite.co.uk/Hank%20Marvin%20talks%20to%20International%20Musician%20magasine1.htm
No pics, but a few words about the black Strat.
Didier
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From: MSN NicknameRobAartsen_NL Sent: 14/10/2008 08:51
Hi Lars,just have found the time to dig those pic's up from way way back in one of my backup disks.
Hope this helps....
Didier, for the most part Patriece Bastien is right,but there where never 3 humbuckers on the black strat and ther was only one black strat...wich live begun as a whitish one....
Groetjes Rob
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From: MSN NicknameDARobinson Sent: 14/10/2008 10:03
I played that black strat when it was white, not long after he bought it from Barrats in Manchester. After it was modified and painted black, two humbuckers were fitted with a single coil in the middle position.
I have a similar model but with a normal headstock , tort plate and single coils - I love it.
Dave
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From: MSN NicknameDARobinson Sent: 14/10/2008 10:22
Forgot to mention, the down side is the tin pot muty trem thingy which is being replaced ASAP with a proper arm, there's one on it's way here as I speak . . . it was commisioned by the original owner and was part of the deal, OK for some but not for me .
Dave
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From: MSN Nicknametoosmall59 Sent: 15/10/2008 10:13
That is uncanny considering I have never seen or heard about this guitar.
Photo is mine, not quite a strat but very close and I have Kinman HX's fitted.