Shadoogie???

[Roger...]

Hi All,
This is my second entry. Shadoogie is played in many different ways, especially by the man himself. This is my rendition of which I'm not too happy with. I think there is too much reverb / echo. Also, I think the timing in places is a little adrift (either by myself or the backing, or a combination of both. Not too happy with the tone either.

Your comments would be appreciated.

www.4shared.com/file/188778905/36beeac6/Shadoogie.html

Best regards
Roger

[grip]

Hi Roger,

You play it well I agree with you about the effects. There are a lot of professionally produced backing tracks and its worth the comfort of knowing the timing will be good on on the BT with those - the drums on this sound like someone's discharging a machine gun at times ;D

Kind regards,


Chris

[Roger...]

Hi Chris,

Many thanks for the comments. I will look for another BT, and address the effects issue. I quite like the tune, so I will persevere and post a version 2 when I feel I'm more comfortable with it.

Best regards
Roger

[Charlie Hall]

Hi Roger,
The backing track could be better, but I think the reason you are unhappy with the sound is the echo, it sounds too digital with too much bandwidth. Which echo are you using?
Regards,
Charlie

[Roger...]

Hello Charlie,

I have another backing track arriving shortly.

The echo is from Charlie's patches for the Yamaha MagicStomp Mk2 number U12. I also have some reverb set on the amplifier. With the reverb off, I think it lacks presence. Maybe now I have too much.
Perhaps a little less echo, what do you think?

Your comments very much appreciated.

Best regards
Roger

[grip]

Hi Roger,

What recording software are you using? If you have any add on effects (vst) you can add your reverb after recording and adjust it to suit at any time.


Kind regards,


Chris

[Charlie Hall]

Hi Roger,
You need to get rid of that amp reverb for this tune (and probably any other Shadows tune) and use just echo even if it means trying a different Echomatic 2 patch on the Magicstomp. The reverb is masking the echo so I can't really hear if it is sounding as it should. Maybe you could post a partial version with just the echo so I can hear if it is working right or not, the version does not have to be perfect as I only want to hear the echo.
I think the basic tone of the guitar is probably close enough.
Regards,
Charlie

[Roger...]

Hi Charlie,

Below is a couple of verses without amplifier reverb as requested. The MagicStomp patch is still U12. I think the guitar is a bit loud, but it doesn't matter for test purposes. Thanks for your time and trouble.

www.4shared.com/file/193337598/680874b2/Shadoogie_Test.html

Best regards
Roger

[Roger...]

Hi Chris,

For recording I use a Boss Micro BR Recorder. I find it excellent. I agree that you can add the effects (reverb) after the recording if you wish, but I always try to record 'as it comes' as they say.

Best regards
Roger

[Charlie Hall]

Hi Roger,
That is a massive improvement. I thought the echo amount and effect suited it well. I don't hear it sounding too dry but you can always temporarily increase or reduce the echo with knob 2 (you have to turn the knob until it locks to the preset amount before it will have any effect).
The Echomatic 2 patches don't have reverb included but the original Echomatic 2 sounded like it had reverb accompanying the echo and that too is the effect from the Echomatic 2 patches.
Regards,
Charlie

[Roger...]

Hi Charlie,

Many thanks for your trouble, I think your right. With some tunes I think there's a fine balancing act between how much echo against how much reverb. I always seem to overcook the reverb as I never seem to have as much as I hear on professional recordings ......... or is it my perception?........probably.

Thanks again.
Roger

[Charlie Hall]

Hi Roger,
There is added studio reverb on a number of Shadows tracks especially the earliest ones but guitar amp spring reverb is completely wrong for that sound.
Much better to add a studio type reverb with a good plugin after recording a track, if your recording system uses plugins.
Regards,
Charlie

[Roger...]

Hi Charlie,

I use a Boss Micro BR Recorder and record direct from my amplifier. There is also an input into the amplifier into which you can input your backing tracks etc., which is the format I currently use. I find it very good. The Boss Micro BR does gives you all sorts of effects that you can add to the recordings if you wish, but I don't tend to use them. I try to get the sound that I want prior to it being recorded. Perhaps I should try as you advise, and add the reverb after the recording, or even after I have loaded the track onto my PC.

Many thanks.

Best regards
Roger

[Charlie Hall]

Hi Roger,
I think there is only so much that should be done getting the sound before recording, final processes can make subtle changes that can make all the difference. For example, Hank never used reverb, but the studio often added it.
Regards,
Charlie

[Roger...]

Hi Charlie,

Many thanks. A re-think methinks.

Best regards
Roger

[Roger...]

Hi Charlie,

If the reverb was added in the studio after the recording, would that mean that when the Shadows perform live on stage, the reverb is probably added at the final mix before it hits the PA system?

Just curious.

Best regards
Roger

[Charlie Hall]

Hi Roger,
There is no reverb when Hank plays live. The hall would take care of any lack of reverb, if indeed any were needed.
Regards,
Charlie

[Roger...]

Hi Charlie,

This is my 2nd attempt using the advice given, and with another backing track. I think it sounds much better.

www.4shared.com/file/216825465/d51d67d8/Shadoogie2.html

Best regards
Roger

[Charlie Hall]

Hi Roger,
Yes, that sounds much better. Very good in fact.
Regards,
Charlie

[Roger...]

Hi Charlie,

Many thanks for the reply , and thank you for steering me along the right path.

Kind regards
Roger

[colljaw]

Hi Roger, what a difference! Your second recording is far superior to the first. Very well played my friend.

Regards, Jim

[Roger...]

Hi Jim,

Thanks a lot, glad you liked it.

Kind regards
Roger