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Post by fenderplucker on May 3, 2013 8:24:17 GMT
hi again, for those without access to the tone stack calculator, here is the predicted electrical response corresponding to the measured acoustic response in the previous posting. Measuring the electrical signal at the output of the amplifier gives this response almost exactly. And by the way, the only "neutral" response of a Vox 30 is with the bass and treble both set at zero. The frequency response is then flat, as it is with the normal (i.e. non top-boost) inputs or AC15 or AC30/4. (My AC15 clone has both Normal and Top boost inputs.) Regards, Paul. Attachments:
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Post by fenderplucker on May 4, 2013 3:51:40 GMT
And here is the response with the bass and treble at their mid positions. Again a fairly deep dip at around 800Hz. Paul. Attachments:
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Post by philc on Mar 14, 2014 8:53:21 GMT
Wim has gone into great delail regarding the echo chamber. Most pictures of it are copyright and are unable to be posted so for members who are interested in what it looks like inside, here's some of mine that I took last March. The chamber is usually out of bounds but I felt privilaged when Brian Kehew co-writer of "Recording the Beatles" invited me in for a look-see. The entrance is via a pair of double doors at the rear of Studio 2, this is the area where the Shadows, Beatles recorded from, from there there is another sound door which leads into the chamber. At one time it was L shaped but later this was changed. The drainage pipes are not the original ones, the flagstone caps are to stop osillation. When the chamber was built, there was no damp course put down so water comes up from the floor, a heater was put in to try to control this. Sometimes it got so bad that the chamber couldn't be used. When I visited, it had been set up with a mic and speaker for a demonstration, (picture 3 and 4) I must say that it was a great experience actually hearing the sound from it, in fact it was another experience being in it knowing that all those sounds from all those groups and orchestras came into that room as history was being made. Brian told me that the actual delay in the room is about 1.5 seconds. Here's some pictures. The entrance from Studio 2. The entrance to the studio itself. Inside the chamber looking towards the door with Brian Kehew. Looking from the door. Phil
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Post by rjanuarsa on Mar 19, 2014 6:28:16 GMT
What a pity..it looks like the echo chamber is now being used as storage. Is that right, Phil?
Robby
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Post by rjanuarsa on Mar 19, 2014 6:29:44 GMT
Great pictures by the way. You're a lucky man Phil!
Robby
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Post by philc on Mar 19, 2014 6:52:50 GMT
Yes Robby, they tell me that it's rarely used today, with all the great outboards and software available, it was a real experience going in there, I will never forget it!
Phil
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Post by egmond on Apr 6, 2014 15:14:25 GMT
Hi I'm new to the forum (and sorry to bump on first post). I was going through my i-Tunes this morning fairly randomly and when it came to some Shadows tunes on there I was struck by the sound quality compared to other tracks I'd been listening to, particularly considering they were recorded years earlier than some others. I do some basic home recording (strictly amateur but with a keen interest) so I thought I'd see if I could get any info online on the recording methods and equipment used to achieve that sound and lo and behold this thread came up. Wow - what a detailed and knowledgeable breakdown by fenderwim, very impressive work and almost a book's worth of info. I'll probably be more of a reader than a regular poster on here but I just had to post to say sharing this is appreciated.
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Post by driftin on Jun 9, 2014 19:19:59 GMT
interestingly, a whole lot of focus is set on hank's sound, but with the whole shads package bruce's beautiful acoustic work can be clearly heard and infact contributes a big slice of the total. I understand bruce used a Gibson acoustic on these early recordings . I have tried to emulate mr welches sound using a Gibson j-45 and a sure sm-58 mic but it don't come anywhere near it.............any thoughts on how
cheers
les
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Post by philc on Jun 9, 2014 19:50:14 GMT
Les, there's no quick answer to this as it's all to do with, to start, your guitar sound, the room, the mic, the mic placement, processing.....I could go on and on, and there that little thing..........Bruce's playing Phil
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Post by shadfan4 on Jun 9, 2014 20:10:54 GMT
Not "Shure" about using a vocal mic for this, try using a couple of small capsule mic's aimed at the 12th fret and either soundhole/body a bit eq 'ing should get a bit closer to the sound you want. I've seen pics of a large diaphragm mic used above about a ft away from Bruce and his Gibson.
Mike
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Post by mickhunt on Mar 11, 2018 12:17:06 GMT
Hi all It’s been a while since you started this post Wim , how has you’re quest progressed and it would be nice if you used charlie and Johns, may he rest in peace , echo unit. Mick Sheffield
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