A good program for deleting lead parts please.

[abstamaria]

Can someone recommend a good, easy-to-use program for deleting the lead parts from a recording? Audacity, Adobe Audition, Roland RMix and other programs were mentioned in passing before.

I'd like to use the program for making backing tracks for Ventures music principally (none exist) and also for the few Shadows pieces where the available BTs deviate a bit from the original.

Any suggestions will be much appreciated.

Andy

[somebodyelseuk]

Andy,
Wavosaur.
BUT, it does depend on the recording methods used. They work by removing the centre track (it's a bit more complex than that involving phase reversals etc), but they can tend to remove the kick and bass as well. For example, if you were to use it on my recordings, it would remove the original lead/vocal part and probably the bass, but it would leave behind the reverb of those tracks, as I tend to have them in stereo and panned fairly wide.
There is no program that JUST removes the lead or vocal alone - you need the original multi-track recording for that, even the mastering engineers don't usually have that access.
With Wavosaur, you use 'vocal remover' in tools.
Regarding the Ventures tracks you mentioned a week or so ago, I'm going to have a go at them this coming week, though I can't promise they will sound exactly like the originals, I'll give it my best shot. I posted 'Shane' a couple of days ago... I did the backing track on that, they'll be at least as close as that is. As soon as they're done, I'll get in touch and see if I can send them across to you for your opinion/advice/approval.
What Shadows tunes are you looking for, by the way?
Cheers, Julian

[abstamaria]

Thanks, Julian. It will be great if you can come up with BTs for the Ventures. I will read up on Wavosair.

I thought the drums on Savage, Man of Mystery, and Perfidia on the BTs I have from the four-CD set differed somewhat from original, Julian.

Regards,

Andy

[pitts]

Hi Andy
Have you tried this location they are showing 15 VENTURES BTs
Not sure if the quality is what you want.
www.guitarbackingtrack.com/bts/Ventures.htm

Cheers
Ray
NZ

[garystrat]

Hi Andy

As Julian says, nothing is perfect.

However, I have several Mac based programs that make some attempt at doing this by the method Julian describes (it has to be a stereo track), but lately I have been using the VOX Jamvox 3 software only version, which is available for both Mac and PC.

This goes a little beyond the others in trying to identify the guitar type, it also has various practice tools like being speed up or slow down a track as well as a number of VOX plug-in's, there is even a facility to to use a WebCam to record yourself.

www.voxamps.com/uk/jamvox/

There is demo available if you want to try it.

Cheers
Gary

[ithepact]

Hi Andy,
a couple of years ago I found a guy on the Italian the well known auction site who was selling a set of (I think) 10 CDs of Ventures backing tracks. As he wanted around US$400 I had to decline. He sent me a sample of one and it was pretty good. Also there is a japanese guy on Youtube playing ventures stuff (crikey good too) and using backing tracks.I contacted him but all he said was that it was a karaoke CD and I couldnt get any further details from him.
I have managed to find some midi files for the Ventures on the Internet but I need some software to exclude the lead track so I havent bothered to use them.

Cheers Peter

[shadfan4]

I have managed to find some midi files for the Ventures on the Internet but I need some software to exclude the lead track so I havent bothered to use them.

Just load your midi file into your DAW and delete/mute the tracks you dont need.

If the file is a single combined midi, then most decent DAW's will allow you to "expand" all the parts into seperate midi tracks.

Mike.

[knockoutrock]

Hi !

Tried this with different result as it's all depending on the basic
material, it's for removing vocal but maybe someone find it useful

www.howtogeek.com/56335/how-to-remove-vocals-from-music-tracks-using-audacity

[abstamaria]

Many thanks, all. I will explore all those.

Best,

Andy

[martyn]

i've tried it using Audacity but whilst it's reasonably successful, you do end up with a mono track - unless I'm missing something in the instructions - and that wouldn't surprise me . . .

[GeorgeII]

Hi Andy,

You can also use a Stereo-plugin (Waves S1 Stereo Imager) or a similar plugin (I think the Flux
Stereo Tool is for free).
I got good results on a few songs, (Shindig, Kontiki, Wofu-Land..)
bud as written before, it works not on all stuff, depending how the lead is placed.

Cheers,
Gerd

[somebodyelseuk]

Martyn
I don't think you're missing anything. That's just how they work as far as I know. They do some phase cancelling or some other black magic - I think one side gets inverted and when you merge the two sides together (mono) anything that is dead centred (assuming originally 'in the same phase' gets cancelled. Sometimes you get the result you want, sometimes it removes what you want to keep. It's not 'tunable'. In a stereo recording you will remove EVERYTHING that coincides with whatever you're trying to remove.
The only 100% sure fire way to remove what you want is if you have the original (or copy of) multi-track recording before it was mixed down to the stereo master.
Cheers, Julian

[martyn]

Hi Julian,

Yes, it does invert one track as you described. Wonderful black art and I still don't know how it actually works . .
I believe if you buy a TVS3 you get a whole bunch of Shads tunes already 'de-Hanked' and I believe they end up as stereo tracks - provided the original was of course. Anyone with one of these units confirm this? I have no idea how the Ozzie guys achieve this wizardry.

Cheers,
Martyn

[GuitarPhil]

I bought a book and CD set called "Guitar Play Along Volume 116 - The Ventures" from Amazon, Published by Hal Leonard. It has the tab, demo tracks and backing tracks for

Diamond Head, Hawaii Five-O Theme, James Bond Theme, Perfidia, Pipeline, Secret Agent Man, Walk Don't Run and Wipe Out.

The tracks seem to me to be very high quality.

www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1423473760/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i00

[somebodyelseuk]

Hiya Martyn...
Tried my programs -Audacity and Wavosaur both free - today and both do produce a stereo track after doing their thing.
I did try and do it manually as well. It works by inverting the phase on one side and summing the two together as a mono track... presumably to get a 'stereo' track it then just places two copies of the same track to the left and right, maybe with very slight delay (<30ms) to give the impression of stereo? I've never heard one that keeps the original track arrangement. ie. the rhythm guitar stays on the right and drums & bass to the left.
Cheers, Julian