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Post by shadmix on Feb 22, 2014 4:10:46 GMT
I have been looking at buying a Q20 with EFTP listed on the well known auction site. However I have one concern. As I am located in Australia I do not want to ship it to the UK if there is any issue at any time in the future. I read somewhere on this site that these Genuine units programed by Charlie Hall have all had MIDI out disabled. If this is the case how can midi out be used with a keyboard or in fact anything else? Was this was done physically to the unit or was something done in the software that could be reversed if the unit is required for a different purpose? If not it appears to me the unit will only be of any use to those who want EFTP and nothing else. Can anyone enlighten me on this as we are talking of a fairly big investment here? thanks in advance.  <script charset="UTF-8" src="chrome://hdv/content/hdv.js" type="application/javascript"></script> |
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Post by TonyL on Feb 22, 2014 10:37:48 GMT
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Post by Charlie Hall on Feb 22, 2014 13:31:54 GMT
Hi shadmix,
Please link to the listing on the well known auction site. I cannot find any such listing.
Q20 units that I personally programmed with 175 patches have the MIDI out disabled.
Later I re-wrote the patches and reduced the number of patches to 79, and sold a set of files for the owner to install. These units do not have the MIDI disabled.
Beware of any EFTP unit advertised anywhere as it could contain pirated EFTP which will not be supported by EFTP. The serial number can be checked with ***. His email is heberhall78ATgooglemail.com (replacing AT with @).
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by shadmix on Feb 22, 2014 19:25:27 GMT
Hi Charlie,
Thanks for the prompt response.
It is possible I have got confused as the listing on the well known auction site I saw was in UK, however it appears to have gone and the only similar listing now is one in Canada but is obviously not yours. I guess the original with your programs gets snapped up pretty quick.
Am I right in assuming it is best to buy any Q20 in good condition and then purchase those new patches you are speaking of? On that basis there would be no issue with any of the midi ports.
I trust the purchase of any unit purchased that you personally programed would have to be sent back to have the new patches installed and the midi port repaired? Am I right in assuming an original unit with 175 patches would be a bad investment now because of that?
From what I have read a Zoom pedal or Magic Stomp is poor alternative.
cheers for now
Pete
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Post by Charlie Hall on Feb 22, 2014 20:45:05 GMT
Hi Pete,
A Q20 unit that I originally programmed can be sent back for re-programming of the same programs if they are lost. I do not charge for the re-load but shipping both ways could be very expensive. I will not re-instate the MIDI out function.
From your point of view it would be better to buy a Q20 as you say and then buy the files to program it with the latest 79 patches from ***.
You may or may not be aware of a new echo unit, the Hall & Collins, that I am designing with John Collins. It will hopefully be ready later this year. It will sound better than the Q20. You might want to think about waiting for the new unit. I will announce when it is ready on this site.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by shadmix on Feb 23, 2014 22:21:51 GMT
Thanks for the response Charlie.
A new unit better than Q20 sounds really interesting.I would be keen to know more at some stage, however it depends on price, availability and support as I am really wanting to buy something soon and Q20 seems to be a good choice.
I see there are still one or two Q20's on the well known auction site however some people in the USA do not know other countries exist outside their country and they won't ship.
At the moment I am also still slightly confused:
I have/had an opportunity a month or so ago to buy a Q20 locally here in Australia. I was told it was an original you programed in UK and if it happens to be still available I would naturally confirm it with you before I bought it.
I gather from your reply above if I did, and wanted the latest patches, I could still purchase them from you? This would mean I would lose those original 175 but could program it here myself without send it away?
Is there any advantage on retaining the original patches if I did that or are the new ones a lot better?
PLUS I gather I would still end up with a machine that has been modified and I could not use Midi out for anything else in the future? OR am I missing something here?
I can fully understand the purpose of you protecting your hard work but if I bought the new file to upgrade myself could I then have the device (midi) put back to normal by someone here without sending it back to England?
I also trust there is some kind of upgrade path from the old patches to new (a better price on the new 79 with verification)?
Charlie, I am sorry to be a pain here, but I just want to buy a licensed unit at a fair price which is fully supported by you if there is any future problem. Shipping units between countries is not my idea of fun.
Best wishes
Pete
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Post by Charlie Hall on Feb 23, 2014 22:41:04 GMT
Hi Pete,
For your purposes and if you want something now you would be better off not buying a Q20 that was programmed by me and instead going for a Q20 without EFTP or one that has the latest 79 patch EFTP set installed (but check it is genuine first).
The older 175 patch set contains many patches that you would likely never use, and this is one reason why I reduced the patches to 79 in number. Some of those 79 patches are also improved over the earlier ones.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by shadmix on Feb 23, 2014 23:58:07 GMT
OK that sounds good but if I bought one locally such as the one that was/may be still available I may get it at a far better price than importing a unit from the USA. We have to pay tax and air freight etc on those units.
The only thing that would put me off the local unit is a price too high and if the midi out is stuffed permanently. They are really the deciding factors.
Pete
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Post by Charlie Hall on Feb 24, 2014 0:09:53 GMT
Hi Pete,
I cannot allow the MIDI out to be re-enabled even if it were possible as the chip has been epoxied. I don't want to get in a situation where we argue about it and you haven't even bought it yet. You will be much better off going for a different Q20 that I haven't programmed before, or waiting for the Hall & Collins unit.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by shadmix on Feb 24, 2014 1:28:24 GMT
Charlie,
OK I am happy to accept that and glad I asked.
This is great information for others contemplating buying any of your early units with the 175 patches.
Obviously that must significantly devalue one of those units as it cannot be used for anything else in the future. If the chip fails the unit goes to the rubbish tip. Wow!
That surely is extremely bad news for anyone trying to sell an original unit. If I am not mistaken the last one I saw in the UK on the well known auction site was around 900 pounds. Those people must be dreaming.
Thanks indeed for this valuable info, I will certainly wait and buy a Q20 without your patches or any tampering. (BUYER BEWARE).
It makes sense for anyone to do that and buy the new patches from you.
Lets hope the new unit is available soon, and a much better price than a used Q20. Lets also hope it can be serviced and supported world wide, or at least in Australia.
Pete
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Post by Charlie Hall on Feb 24, 2014 3:23:01 GMT
Hi Pete,
John Collins is in Australia. Although the unit when it is released will almost certainly be sold from the UK.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by shadmix on Feb 24, 2014 4:16:26 GMT
Hi Charlie,
Either you don't sleep or you are in Australia too at the moment.
OK about the new unit, I am sure it will be as good as you say.
I trust you have heard the Aussie made TVS3 which is sensational but VERY expensive, beyond my pocket at the moment.
Thanks again for the heads up on your original unit. I would not buy one now unless it was bargain basement. Let's hope the well known auction site produces a good opportunity soon.
Pete
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Post by shadowkarl on Feb 24, 2014 11:27:59 GMT
Hi Pete, A Q20 unit that I originally programmed can be sent back for re-programming of the same programs if they are lost. I do not charge for the re-load but shipping both ways could be very expensive. I will not re-instate the MIDI out function. From your point of view it would be better to buy a Q20 as you say and then buy the files to program it with the latest 79 patches from ***. You may or may not be aware of a new echo unit, the Hall & Collins, that I am designing with John Collins. It will hopefully be ready later this year. It will sound better than the Q20. You might want to think about waiting for the new unit. I will announce when it is ready on this site. Regards, Charlie Hi Charlie, not to look too impatient, but I hope you meant THIS year, when you stated "...will hopefully be ready later this year." I am still waiting (and a few other`s too) when I first heard the prototype of this holy grail device when buying Hank`s KCP at Peters House in September 2011!! regards Shadowkarl |
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Post by Charlie Hall on Feb 24, 2014 14:04:35 GMT
Hi Karl,
I know it is taking a long time. I do hope the unit will be ready later this year. A small number of people are involved with the project. We cannot speed things up like a larger company could. The programming is with John and I alone. There have been a number of problems and they must be sorted out before we release the product. Several problems have already been solved. We will not allow the release of the unit until we know there are no known issues with it.
Regards,
Charlie
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