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Post by nessmonst on Mar 11, 2014 22:59:27 GMT
Has any member tried this yet? Opinions and impressions welcomed Regards to all David
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Post by didier on Mar 12, 2014 8:50:00 GMT
It's been tested by Jean-Claude on our French Shadows forum, he found out that it was quite usable for Shadows' early sound, altough of course it's not a perfect Meazzi sound emulation.
Didier
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Post by garystrat on Mar 12, 2014 12:35:02 GMT
Hi Didier
Have you been able to compare this to a MagicStomp?
Gary
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Post by asimmd on Mar 12, 2014 14:52:49 GMT
Hi Gary It's totally different to a MagicStomp,have a listen to the youtube demo's you might be impressed. How useful they are for Shadows stuff i don't know,i will take Didier's word for it. Here's a link to one of the company's demo's www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeMfnx8D16wAlan
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Post by garystrat on Mar 12, 2014 16:21:18 GMT
Hi Alan
Thank you, I hadn't seen that direct comparison video before.
Gary
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Post by rogerbayliss on Mar 12, 2014 17:54:05 GMT
Played through one a few weeks back and it was good enough for live work but not able to adjust head levels and timings so not a unit for say recording accurately the sound.
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Post by kipper on Mar 12, 2014 22:10:44 GMT
dave robinson on the shadows music web site, did some really good sounds with one he was very impressed with it they were great to my ear. peter
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Post by didier on Mar 13, 2014 8:53:44 GMT
Hi Didier Have you been able to compare this to a MagicStomp? Gary No, Jean-Claude who tested it doesn't have a Magicstomp. He posted a few tracks with the Catalinbread Echorec on our French Shadows forum. It can't be programmed as a Magicstomp. He found necessary to increase a little the wow and flutter setting through an internal trim pot. The Catalinbread Echorec emulates a four heads Binson echo machine, but heads timing and level are not quite the same as the Meazzi. The Binson Echorec was mainly made famous by Pink Floyd (both David Gilmour and Rick Wright used it). Didier
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Post by garystrat on Mar 13, 2014 9:49:37 GMT
Hi Didier
Thank you for that, I will try and catch with the sound files.
Gary
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Post by didier on Mar 15, 2014 16:44:33 GMT
Here is a demo of the Catalinbread Echorec by Jean-Claude :
Didier
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Post by asimmd on Mar 15, 2014 18:30:59 GMT
Hi Didier
Many thanks for posting this video,the sound is excellent.
It's the only Shadows tune I have heard using the Catalinbread Echorec.
Alan
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Post by garystrat on Mar 15, 2014 22:25:59 GMT
Hi Didier
I too appreciate you posting this, Jean Claude is a very good player!
Gary
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Post by didier on Mar 16, 2014 18:30:47 GMT
I too appreciate you posting this, Jean Claude is a very good player! Jean-Claude doesn't claim to be an excellent player, he is mostly a bedroom player, or more precisely a cellar player, as he has installed his home studio in the cellar of his house in Dijon ! But he has done a lot of work on "that sound", including designing his own echo unit, the JC Echo FDS. The Zoom MS50-G pedal you can see on the pic was used for some additional effects : a litte EQ, reverb and compression. Didier
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Post by didier on Mar 16, 2014 18:59:36 GMT
Another test by Jean-Claude with the same setup :
Didier
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Post by neil2726 on Mar 16, 2014 20:02:49 GMT
David - its how close do you want to get to that original sound. Ive a Zoom RX2200 and a Zoom G2 both with Charlies echoes. I bought the Catalinbread as our band only plays a handful of Shads numbers and it was easy to set up and use on stage. Non of the band could tell I wasnt using the correct patches. I have 3 seperate settings which covers Apache FBI Wonderful Land Atlantis Riders in the Sky and Dance On. The audiences will never tell unless they are real Shads devotees!
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Post by nessmonst on Mar 16, 2014 22:54:16 GMT
Thanks for the input and opinions guys.Jean Claude's renderings are extremely effective and the 'tripping' multi echo settings I feel are certainly very convincing.If its switching offered each of the 4 heads on its own I would be even more enthusiastic!! I hear what you're saying Neil-- do you use it on a pedal board? I had considered buying one myself but was sort of put off by the fact that its meant to operate at 18volts and therefore incompatible with my BSB 60 powered pedalboard--anyone know a way round this drawback? Regards David
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Post by asimmd on Mar 16, 2014 23:13:20 GMT
Hi David
Just to put you straight,the Catlinbread Echorec is designed to work on 9 or 18 volts.
If you go onto Google you can download the manual which explains this.
So it is compatible with a Standard 9volt PSU that we all use on our Boss Pedals.
Hope this helps
Alan
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Post by didier on Mar 17, 2014 8:40:38 GMT
Jean-Claude recorded his tests direct to recorder without any guitar amp, so the additional effects he used were mostly for some kind of amp emulation.
Didier
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Post by garystrat on Mar 17, 2014 11:52:20 GMT
Hi Didier
Man thanks for the additional information, Alan and I both use amp emulation, so presumably this would make a difference?
Gary
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Post by neil2726 on Mar 17, 2014 14:23:56 GMT
Hi Gary
I dont have a pedal board and I place the Catalinbread on top of my amp. When I want to adjust the echo it saves bending down - which isnt easy on my back these days!
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Post by asimmd on Mar 17, 2014 14:57:28 GMT
Hi Neil
I am encouraged by your comments,can I ask have you tried it on 18 volts and did it make a difference.
Have you altered any of the internal adjustments.
Thanks
Alan
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Post by neil2726 on Mar 17, 2014 19:49:05 GMT
Hi Alan
Ive only had the unit a few weeks and only tried on 9v As I understand it if you use 18v it gives more clean headroom and better tone. I may well get the 18v power pack and try it. Ive not tried any internal adjustments as I just wanted a nice sounding echo for a few numbers. As I play mainly rhythm in the band (lead on the Shads stuff) the only other pedal I use is a chorus.
Neil
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Post by nessmonst on Mar 17, 2014 19:59:44 GMT
Alan --Thanks for that--I did have extended email correspondence with one of the major UK (online)retailers ref 9/18volt operation at the time when I was ready to 'splash the cash'. --the outcome of my enquiry was that they insisted that 18volts were needed and that I would have to buy another 'power supply' which they recommended and would be delighted to sell me!!--Needless to say I abandoned any purchase and cooled my interest at the time. Thanks for clarifying the subject--perhaps my interest has been rekindled. One thing is for sure -- I won't be dealing with that particular retailer again!! Regards David
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Post by asimmd on Mar 17, 2014 20:11:18 GMT
Hi Neil
Thanks for the reply,I wondered what 18 volts did,as you say it may be worth trying,an18volt PSU can be had for £6.95 I think off Amazon or the well known auction site.
My Echorec arrives tomorrow,Tuesday,I look forward to a day of playing with it.
Hi David Hate retailers that try to sell something you don't need,or perhaps they did not know?
I hope it hasn't stopped you from considering it,there are only 3 retailers in the UK that stock them,and there is usually a waiting list.
When I ordered mine they had 12 in stock,today they have just 6.
Alan
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Post by didier on Mar 17, 2014 20:24:54 GMT
Hi Didier Man thanks for the additional information, Alan and I both use amp emulation, so presumably this would make a difference? Gary Hi Gary, Amp emulation is only needed when you don't use a guitar amp which provides its own sound. Guitar amps are not Hi-Fi amplifiers designed to provide the most neutral and accurate sound. All of them add their own tone which they are famed for. Using both at the same time can only lead to unpredictable results ! Didier
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Post by neil2726 on Mar 17, 2014 22:42:15 GMT
Alan I have seen one company selling 18v PSU specificly advertised for the Catalinbread. As you say they are around the £7 mark
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Post by garystrat on Mar 17, 2014 23:23:11 GMT
Hi Didier
No, we are both recording the guitar direct to a Tech 21 "Liverpool" pedal to audio interface, or using other amp emulation, so in this particular scenario there is no real amp involved. Alan is getting his Echorec tomorrow, so should be interesting to see what his views are on this particular combination.
I do have a Laney Lionheart L5T-112, which is a very nice 5 watt home practice amp, but tend to do record/practice directly thorough a computer, with output going to monitor speakers.
Your input on the sound and video's is very much appreciated and has been a great help.
Best regards
Gary
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Post by asimmd on Mar 17, 2014 23:37:10 GMT
Hi Neil
I think I will try it with 9 volts to start with,I have looked on youtube for a demo using 18 volts but I can't find one.
Alan
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Post by garystrat on Mar 19, 2014 20:55:50 GMT
Hi Gary I dont have a pedal board and I place the Catalinbread on top of my amp. When I want to adjust the echo it saves bending down - which isnt easy on my back these days! Hi Neil Sorry, I missed your post, as you can see from my reply to Didier I'm going through amp emulation hardware, but thanks anyway! Regards Gary
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