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Post by kipper on Mar 27, 2014 19:47:39 GMT
hi al i packed all my vinyl records about 2-3 years ago in an effort to declutter so i could sell my house, we moved in january this year. just starting to get my music room come office space sorted out. hung up some guitars sorted the amp out and its looking not to bad at the moment. so i thought how about getting my record collection sorted now, so today i set up my old record player unpacked the 45`s. its like christmas here at the moment, i'm unpacking records i had almost forgotten about. music from 60`s 70`s ect does sound loads better on vinyl i cant believe the sounds i'm getting after only listening to cd`s for a few years. just found some really old john leyton stuff its magic. some dire straights 10" singles dusty springfield 10" stuff brilliant. i know mp3 cd ect have a place but for that real sound we heard in sixty`s vinyl for me. only problem is you cant set it to play for ages because you have to change the records  . peter |
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Post by meladdison on Mar 27, 2014 20:29:29 GMT
hi al i packed all my vinyl records about 2-3 years ago in an effort to declutter so i could sell my house, we moved in january this year. just starting to get my music room come office space sorted out. hung up some guitars sorted the amp out and its looking not to bad at the moment. so i thought how about getting my record collection sorted now, so today i set up my old record player unpacked the 45`s. its like christmas here at the moment, i'm unpacking records i had almost forgotten about. music from 60`s 70`s ect does sound loads better on vinyl i cant believe the sounds i'm getting after only listening to cd`s for a few years. just found some really old john leyton stuff its magic. some dire straights 10" singles dusty springfield 10" stuff brilliant. i know mp3 cd ect have a place but for that real sound we heard in sixty`s vinyl for me. only problem is you cant set it to play for ages because you have to change the records . peter Hi Peter, I thought you were going to end saying - you have to change the needle - but no it was the record what a great time you are having - happy Christmas Peter! regards, Mel |
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Post by philc on Mar 27, 2014 20:53:01 GMT
Hi Peter, Abbey Road have a room upstairs for cutting new vynil as it's still in demand but by a limited few. Analogue, is a lot warmer than digital, the same with real film cameras. How many transistor amps are available now compared to valve? There are also lots of analogue plugins available to re-capture that sound. Enjoy your 45's  Phil |
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Post by TonyL on Mar 28, 2014 9:17:46 GMT
Ah, John Leyton and "Johnny Remember Me". I was at scout camp in Somerset when that was riding high in the charts and just couldn't get it out of my head. It's still one of my favorites from the 60s. Am I right in thinking it came from a soap called "Compact"?
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Post by kipper on Mar 28, 2014 11:34:18 GMT
memory`s behind each record tonyl. mel i have not long put in a new stylist (needle) took a while to find one good old the well known auction site in the end, phil it is warmer i agree but the sound on the vinyl is as i heard it as it happened in my brain at the time, maybe thats why its a warm sound. happy days. peter
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Post by TonyL on Mar 28, 2014 11:53:02 GMT
...and you can't beat those clicks and scratches  . I even managed to put some on reel to reel tapes that I had of the early Shads albums. I'd spend so much time starting and stopping them to try to learn the tracks I knackered my tape recorder. Each time I stopped the tape the erase head would hit the tape and take 1/2 a second out of the track  |
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Post by kipper on Mar 28, 2014 12:01:50 GMT
some where i have a programe for transfering 45`s to computer but cant find it now but it did work very well clicks and all. i can rember to trying to record from record player to reel to reel tape some one always seemed to drop something at the wrong time and you had to start again. but i do think todays recordings are to perfect, the vinyl had a bit of character, having said that i remember when cd`s came out i thought they were brilliant so maybe my memory is playing tricks with me. but i can relate things happening in my life to certain records of the time. peter
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Post by TonyL on Mar 28, 2014 13:05:06 GMT
Hi Peter I used Audacity to transfer all my LPs to CD. Simply plugged the headphone socket on stereo to the Line-In on the PC, started Audacity and made sure that the input was set to Line-In. It took a bit of playing with the volume control on the stereo and the recording level in Audacity before I got the right balance but once I had I used the same settings for all our LPs. Pressed the record button in Audacity and started the LP. When the recording was finished I used a setting in Audacity on the Effects menu (Click Removal) and let it do its thing. If there was only one or 2 tracks with clicks, pops etc I just selected them and then ran the effect. i can rember to trying to record from record player to reel to reel tape some one always seemed to drop something at the wrong time and you had to start again Worse than that was trying to record Top of The Pops or another program at the time and someone starts coughing. No chance of a retake then. |
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Post by Darryl on Mar 28, 2014 16:45:48 GMT
Hi,
For vinyl nuts & users.
Although I have a phono. input on my amp I invested in a MM phono pre-amplifier by Cambridge audio. Model 551P.(via the well known auction site)
Input from the turntable and output to aux/cd whatever input to the amp.
The difference in sound is incredible (IMO) and the clicks & scratches seem to be significantly reduced.
I am building a valve audio amp so it will be interesting to hear how it sounds through that when it's finished.
Regards
Darryl
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Post by kipper on Mar 28, 2014 22:43:52 GMT
thanks tonyl and darryl. peter
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Post by philc on Mar 29, 2014 18:23:12 GMT
Don't use the clicks and pops filter it takes some top end out and the tracks are not quite the same, just imagine your playing the tunes in a fish n chip shop  Phil |
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Post by shadowkarl on Mar 31, 2014 8:46:41 GMT
Also to all nuts and vinyl users,
Have never stopped listening to good vinyl LP`s, and for the clicks, pops and scratches even use a very good record cleaning machine from the States. (vpi)
The sound by all means is more natural and if the chain is set up correctly you cannot get the phase inverted Wood effect. (As is the case even with deliberately wrong recorded Cd's)
Enjoy the real natural "warm" recorded Vinyl`s
Shadowkarl
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Post by philc on Apr 1, 2014 10:31:59 GMT
All this, providing you play them on a good system Phil |
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Post by shadowkarl on Apr 1, 2014 14:13:40 GMT
Hi Phil,
thought that your assumption was self evident. I think I am very lucky to possess a Gassmann Avantgarde Hifi stereo set with a (former battery powered amp stage, with only 15cm signal chain on the circuit) two thin d`Appolito Loudspeaker columns with separate sub woofers, and most important a Canadian dynamic driven turntable system with a Benz Micro stylus.
The best test of your system is still not all the technical values like klirr factors etc. but when somebody is visiting your house and you play a piano record is asking "who is playing the piano up there?"
enjoy the music not the technology and
regards
shadowkarl
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Post by neil2726 on Apr 1, 2014 16:18:00 GMT
Johnny Remember me was features in "Harpers West 1" I believe! John Leyton's character was called Johnny St Cere!
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Post by philc on Apr 1, 2014 17:57:44 GMT
Hi Phil, thought that your assumption was self evident. I think I am very lucky to possess a Gassmann Avantgarde Hifi stereo set with a (former battery powered amp stage, with only 15cm signal chain on the circuit) two thin d`Appolito Loudspeaker columns with separate sub woofers, and most important a Canadian dynamic driven turntable system with a Benz Micro stylus. The best test of your system is still not all the technical values like klirr factors etc. but when somebody is visiting your house and you play a piano record is asking "who is playing the piano up there?" enjoy the music not the technology and regards shadowkarl When I bought my system many many years ago, I read up on Hi-Fi reviews, one of the reviews was on cables, amp to speakers, the reviews compared gold coated plugs compared to standard, and the comments went something like this, " there was a noticeable drop in clarity of tone" etc etc. What a load of rubbish! As if someone could tell the difference in tone with just the coating on the connectors! Phil |
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Post by shadowkarl on Apr 2, 2014 9:02:42 GMT
Hi Phil
had the same experience and skipped all the stereo-play Hi-Fi ratings and "champions". Here in Switzerland, if that is really a Hi-Fi guy he will come to your living room, replaces the so called advanced components, and in an A/B comparison you can judge by hearing yourself on the best known Cd's or LP`S if you can hear a difference and something you have not heard before. Then and only then one should replace the old gear with the improved one. And after I did this in an evolutionary manner (obeying the cost issue!)I have finally arrived at a system I am more than satisfied with! and do not think of replacing anything! (The improvements also were noticeable differences on supply cables,(to replace the battery supplies, complete loudspeaker cables, a CD player with green perimeter led lights,and so on.)
But as I stated before and you certainly would agree, only if you can hear a difference for the better, is it worth to "improve" and enjoy your existing archive of Cd`s and LPs..)
Regards
Shadowkarl
p.s. My Hi-Fi guy just warned me the other day, that if the CD player and D/A unit would go bust the only replacement nowadays he recommends would be an excellent streamer. But until then I enjoy what I have.
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Post by philc on Apr 2, 2014 10:04:57 GMT
When I bought my gear, probably around 1990, I made an appointment at a Hi-Fi specialists, they had a room set out with a three piece suite etc to give a home situation. I tried many decks, amps and speakers and of course the amp to speaker leads were not of the thin kind The track I played were from cd's of mine where I knew what should be coming out of the speakers. I must add though that I rarely use it anymore as my spare time is used up recording and model railways so no time to just sit down and listed to music  What I have is, I guess well out of date with today's standards but it still sounds good and I will not be changing it. Phil |
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Post by shadowkarl on Apr 2, 2014 10:29:54 GMT
Hi Phil,
so we enjoy(ed)partly the same path to music as a hobby, and it does not matter if they are out of date with today`s standard, as long as they sound the part and reproduce faithfully the composer/interpreters intentions. I admit, that in the long winter evenings here, besides playing in the band and outdoor sports I sometimes just sit down and "digest" the same piano concerto with different player`s like Horowitz,Bermann or Sviatoslav Richter, just for the fun to find out their interpretations of the same piece of music. Probably you enjoy music more intensely with your recording hobby as well.
Shadowkarl
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Post by philc on Apr 2, 2014 11:00:57 GMT
I enjoy lots different styles of music, my roots though are blues, but what tends to happen when I listen is, i'm thinking, how would I reproduce this, even if I have no intention of doing so, sometimes I listen to a track and all i'm concentrating on is the bass, the next time another instrument. I try to work out the tones, the panning and where the reverb etc is, if there is any. So i'm really dissecting it.
Phil
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Post by shadowkarl on Apr 3, 2014 9:48:42 GMT
Hi Phil,
well so do I and my collection of records comprise all sorts of Country, Chet Atkins, Gypsy Kings but also classic playing like Julian Bream and Andres Segovia; symphonies, some Schubert etc. My interest in piano playing stems from the conservatoire education I enjoyed between high school and university.
If I get into your dissecting mode I would need the tablature and notes to enjoy the interpretation work.
Shadowkarl
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Post by philc on Apr 3, 2014 10:05:57 GMT
I don't read dots and to be honest I don't like tablature, I find a lot of it, especially Shadows stuff lacking in the correct notes, slides etc.
At the moment I'm laying in the sun listening to the Shadows originals and also my covers/copies and picking big holes in them, because no matter how close and accurate they seem to be at the time, listening again, months or even years later on a different system there are differences not heard at the time of mixing.
I'm also listening to some tunes that I haven't done but which are penciled in and working out what goes where and how to re-create the sounds.
Phil
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Post by shadowkarl on Apr 3, 2014 10:27:03 GMT
Well you do have to like dots e.g. the written version of music if you are listening dissective to a symphony orchestra or if you want to be able to play not according only to your ear, but directly from the notes, as studio session musicians have to.
Listening to the originals also gives you only that take at a certain time which the shadows have chosen as the best.
But as I stated before, listening to the same source years later, or with different level equipment is still fun, as you hear things and phrases unheard before. I am more into finding out tunes even by listening and less so to recreate sounds.
shadowkarl
p.s. At them moment in the beautiful sunny surroundings of the Engadin not listening to any tracks.
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Post by twang46 on Apr 4, 2014 10:14:07 GMT
Been following this thread with some interest. I also had what could be termed a "high end" audio system that evolved to that over a number of years. (Linn turntable, AT moving coil, MF amplifiers & MS speakers on the vinyl side with a Marantz CD player) I went through what I call a "hi-fi" in the 80's/90's phase with cables/turntable mats/support systems & power supplies (& even triangles stuck on things !) I never really analysed the music (everything from Led Zep to Leonard Bernstein & most ports in between) I just enjoyed listening to what I thought was good music properly played through a specialist music system Regards "upgrades" I was in a hi fi shop local to (Lintone Audio)us quite a few years ago looking at a new stand for my gear when an intriguing experiment was demo'd to me. The turntable was placed on what looked like a very lightweight coffee table with spindly legs & looked like the sort of thing you could pick up at somewhere like B&Q for a few £'s. The turntable sounded better sitting on this little table ! no if's or mabey's not a huge difference of course but noticeable & repeatable with no "smoke & mirrors" in sight The cost of this table was around £110 & I didn't buy, but only because I didn't have the room to set it out in my lounge at that time. Good interconnects are a must but don't necessarily have to cost a fortune...I used Alpine car audio interconnects for years at a fraction of the cost of some of the "name" brands at the time and 6mm "Cooker" cable for speaker cable & finally settled on "Quad 79 strand" cable as a good compromise between cost/performance for speaker cable. Rambling now, better stop now Cheers Dick. |
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Post by philc on Apr 4, 2014 10:41:07 GMT
That's a coincidence Dick, I have a Linn Basik, no frills to clutter up sound quality and a belt to spool change for different speeds, I think it was quite expensive at the time I bought it.
Phil
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Post by twang46 on Apr 4, 2014 13:25:15 GMT
That's a coincidence Dick, I have a Linn Basik, no frills to clutter up sound quality and a belt to spool change for different speeds, I think it was quite expensive at the time I bought it. Phil Really good table there Phil, I actually prefered the Basik over the supposedly superior Axis, I found the Basik had a bit more dynamism about it & as such out-performed its bigger ( & more advanced) brother smooth & refined though it certainly was. The trouble was I listened to a LP12 and got hooked (although I managed to resist the ultra expensive "upgrades" fortunately) If you haven't used the Basik for a while it's worth giving it a bit of a service, changing the spindle oil & checking nuts & bolts & arm/cartridge alignment. It will last more or less for ever if you look after it. Like most things I suppose  Sadly everything with the Linn name on it is expensive, the only product I felt really justified it's price was the LP12 (the only turntable they still make I believe) Cheers Dick. |
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Post by kipper on Apr 4, 2014 16:10:31 GMT
the sound i have always loved is the one i heard as a teenager on a bog standard electric record player and what i heard on the juke boxes of the time. it is sort of unspoiled maybe raw maybe crude, i don't know really  its just the way i hear the music, and in turn maybe that triggers my mind`s eye. and thats why i play records on a bog standard player, as someone said earlier just enjoy it  . peter |
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Post by allclaphands on Apr 4, 2014 16:24:40 GMT
author=" kipper" the sound i have always loved is the one i heard as a teenager on a bog standard electric record player and what i heard on the juke boxes of the time. it is sort of unspoiled maybe raw maybe crude, i don't know really its just the way i hear the music, and in turn maybe that triggers my mind`s eye. and thats why i play records on a bog standard player, as someone said earlier just enjoy it . peter A Dansette Bermuda comes to mind as the first record player me and my elder brother had I think we played it till it wore out Happy days vinyl 45's and if you could afford it LP's at 33rpm and going in cafe's with wurlitzer Juke Box's. Pete |
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Post by kipper on Apr 4, 2014 19:54:29 GMT
just seen a Dansette Bermuda in salmon pink (i joke not) for sale £545.00 peter
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Post by didier on Apr 4, 2014 20:11:35 GMT
I still have a Thorens TD150 turntable with a Shure M75 PU cartridge, here used to digitalise a vinyl record :  Didier |
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. peter
. I even managed to put some on reel to reel tapes that I had of the early Shads albums. I'd spend so much time starting and stopping them to try to learn the tracks I knackered my tape recorder. Each time I stopped the tape the erase head would hit the tape and take 1/2 a second out of the track 
its just the way i hear the music, and in turn maybe that triggers my mind`s eye. and thats why i play records on a bog standard player, as someone said earlier just enjoy it 
. peter 
