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Post by shadfan4 on Feb 1, 2015 11:33:28 GMT
Is it strange that with close too, and soon to be 4000 members, that the views on soundfiles can be a 100+ or even 300 in some cases and as low as 10 for others. Is it that the majority are known as forum "lurkers" with no intention of posting anything. The soundfile postings seem to be from a fairly exclusive group, and certainly don't reflect the number of members. Just an observation Mike.
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Post by Viv on Feb 1, 2015 12:51:17 GMT
It's also only the select few who bother to comment. The whole purpose of posting up a sound file is to receive comment and constructive input.
Some of the folk are of extremely high standard, and are the ones who comment the most, helping the less experienced along.
It's all about getting the best sound you can, that's what the forum is supposed to be about; not a free music show.
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Post by noelford on Feb 1, 2015 12:53:20 GMT
I think it has a lot to do with whether or not you like making sound files, Mike. Personally, although I used to love recording in a studio, along with others, I don't really enjoy recording just on my own at home. Of course, in the former case, I only had the music to think about and left all the technical jiggery-pokery to the engineers.
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Post by kipper on Feb 1, 2015 13:56:54 GMT
hi mike i understand when you say !Just an observation! surly its up to each person to comment or not, and if to post a file or not, or even comment. i like to listen and if one really takes my fancy i say so. i wouldn't like to criticize i just accept what i listen to for what it is. i am not qualified enough to do that.as for forum "lurkers" (never heard that before) there are loads people including members here that rarely comment some never comment, nothing wrong with that as i see it. if i have something helpful or intresting to say i would. but no one should feel pressure to comment or post a sound file, leave that up to politicians . said in the best possible taste (i hope) peter
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Post by noelford on Feb 1, 2015 14:48:47 GMT
Ah! I should clarify my post. I was actually talking about the number of people who post sound files rather than those who comment. I think there is a connection of sorts, though.
Most of the time I spend at the computer I'm working. Although I check the forums quite often during the day, stopping to listen to sound files is a bit too time-consuming to do it all that often. However, on the rare occasions I post a sound file of my own, I do listen to others and comment, since others have taken the time and trouble to listen to and comment on mine.
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Post by stratsnstuff on Feb 1, 2015 15:15:51 GMT
Hi Mike and all, I do tend to agree with Peter, however, having only fairly recently got into home recording myself, I am learning the time and dedication that goes into producing a sound file so it is nice when members take the time to respond.
I listen to as many sound files as time allows and add a comment when I feel it's appropriate. As Viv says, many who submit sound files are of an extremely high standard both in the actual playing and the production and should be rewarded for their efforts. But it is probably the home recording novices like me who reap the most benefits from the constructive comments posted by members. John
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 16:22:29 GMT
I carried out my own personal survey on this subject some time ago. The results were interesting. I came to the conclusion that there are quite a lot of members who post soundfiles, some with a foot note 'hope you like it and all comments welcome', who never comment on other members sound files although they expect comments on their own. There are other members who only comment on certain members sound files and nobody elses, most of these fall into the category, 'we only comment on each others'. I used to comment on all sound files and looked forward to comments good or bad on the files I posted myself. It seemed to me it was becoming a select club, so I no longer post sound files myself, or comment on any. I just listen.
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Post by lw on Feb 1, 2015 18:50:02 GMT
I am quite new here and have commented on a few sound file posts. This thread gave me these thoughts; the first thing is that I am aware that I just only post a comment on the sound files that matched my taste and I really enjoyed. I would never say something critical and I guess it never occurred to me that the poster might actually appreciate constructive comments on how to improve the track. My skill level is not up to the point where I could create tracks like these for others to listen to, but I do think that I have a pretty good ear and I can discern what sounds good and what could be improved. I do realize though that when someone has devoted many hours of work into creating their "masterpiece" ... making critical comments can be a delicate art.
The other thought that I had is that I have often requested information in my comment as to whether a BT and/or tabs are available for pieces that I have really enjoyed. I would like to see it sort of be standard protocol for sound file posters to make a comment in their initial post about whether the BT and/or tabs for the piece they are presenting are available (either for sharing on request, or for purchase from some source).
To me, enjoying the sound files and videos that others have posted is one of the main benefits of this forum, I hope to see more of it, and I hope to get to the level where I can also contribute.
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Post by baz on Feb 1, 2015 18:54:44 GMT
I might be wrong but I think Mike's point was more aimed at how small a proportion of members actually check out the soundfile pages, let alone comment. It suggests that a very large proportion are more interested in the number of screws in a scratchplate or whether they've got the right pick-ups or string gauge, rather than seeing Leo's masterpieces as musical instruments. I'll get me coat Regards Baz
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Post by zager on Feb 1, 2015 20:13:56 GMT
I find myself in total agreement with Al Nico (Graham.P).Tony
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Post by Steve Reynolds on Feb 1, 2015 21:25:21 GMT
i tend to comment on a song if it is one that captures my attention ie a song i know of and also if there is a video etc, if its just a music file it would have to be a song i really wanted to hear to capture my interest, this may be why sometimes i appear to comment on the same peoples (Phil McGarricks suit me as they have the video and they are songs i like).
I will try and listen to and comment to more recordings
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Post by shadfan4 on Feb 1, 2015 22:11:07 GMT
I have to say that Baz has actually picked up what I was "observing", I was not at all critisising on whether people comment about soundfiles but the simple ratio of registered members to the number who actually open a posting and read it even without listening or commenting. Just had a look at Hank Marvin sound & Tech site for a comparison and was surprised by the numbers. Total members there, only 252 CH&F 3956. And HMS&T have about the same number of views for their soundfile section as here. Don't get your coat Baz stay around. Mike.
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Post by Viv on Feb 2, 2015 7:34:34 GMT
I might be wrong but I think Mike's point was more aimed at how small a proportion of members actually check out the soundfile pages, let alone comment. It suggests that a very large proportion are more interested in the number of screws in a scratchplate or whether they've got the right pick-ups or string gauge, rather than seeing Leo's masterpieces as musical instruments. I'll get me coat Regards Baz Hi Baz, The interesting thing would be to somehow get a list of when members last logged in. That may answer many questions. Who knows that some of them may have passed on.
I belong to a forum related to clock restoration. If you don't log in for three months you get a message asking if you still require membership. Failure to reply results in your account being suspended. Your posts remain intact.
That keeps the ratio of active members versus actual members accurate.
Viv
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Post by grip on Feb 2, 2015 9:30:45 GMT
Hi Baz, The interesting thing would be to somehow get a list of when members last logged in. That may answer many questions. Who knows that some of them may have passed on.
I belong to a forum related to clock restoration. If you don't log in for three months you get a message asking if you still require membership. Failure to reply results in your account being suspended. Your posts remain intact.
That keeps the ratio of active members versus actual members accurate.
Viv
Out of 80 x 50 row pages of members, only 31 pages have members with 1 or more posts.....that'a lot of dead wood (given that some won't post because of language barriers). We could have a little "tick box" to say "I have passed on" Kind regards, Chris
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Post by Cruachan on Feb 2, 2015 10:29:03 GMT
Indeed, that would be a neat trick and, at the same time, could resolve several hitherto unanswered questions about the hereafter! Mike
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Post by shadfan4 on Feb 2, 2015 11:19:10 GMT
Without getting too critical of anyone. I think Baz probably has got on the right track, I did find it strange with "thousands" of members there is relatively little interest in soundfiles outside of the active group of posters, so the question is what are people signing upto. Is it purely for the technical advice/info that is available, The general board with many different aspects of music particularly "twang" based Stratocaster music? As Jimmy Greaves said about football "It's a funny old game" I think forums are just as mysterious. PS: at this time of writing there have been 409 views of this thread and more than any soundfile has, (excluding Charlies demo) Mike.
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Post by specky on Feb 2, 2015 13:17:14 GMT
Good topic Mike you have brought up some interesting points I more or less agree with Baz- I think the tech info on here -guitar wise, amp wise and recording wise and shared willingly by members is second to none I,like I'm sure a lot of others could have saved a fortune on guitars through the years -if this info was available- I'm as happy as a pig in xxit since I learned about the G2 pedal and Charlie's EFTP - As far as commenting I am not really qualified (I'm still a busker)to give my opinion on say whether this version of say Mary had a little lamb-is nearer the original than that version-I'm saying this tongue in cheek- there are only so many versions of Mary..... that I listen to-if you know what I mean-I mean no disrespect to the members - I love this site -love being a part of it. At the moment I'm concentrating on vocals and song writing -average at both may I add- So my limited lead playing is just part of it. thank you for a great site now as Baz would say "I'll get my coat"
Tommy
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Post by Cruachan on Feb 2, 2015 16:35:03 GMT
I think it's all about being fortunate enough to be part of an extended family, enjoying watching individuals grow and progress and learning from those generous enough to impart their wisdom and experience to help others. I regard my membership of this great site as being a huge privilege, one for which I will always feel grateful.
Mike
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Post by kipper on Feb 2, 2015 17:37:30 GMT
quote. get a list of when members last logged in. unquote. that sounds a bit like big brother checking up who has done what and when to me, personaly i wouldn't want that happening. i love this forum and i`m sure loads of others do. why bother about what others are doing. if you want to post a sound file do it if you dont then dont. want to listen to a sound file do it if not dont. its nothing what so ever to do with anyone else. i vary day to day what i look at and comment on. having said that if i hadnt read this thread i would have missed Ians sound file dont let the sun catch you crying one of the best i have heard on forums. this is a great site lets just leave it like that please . peter
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Post by stratsnstuff on Feb 2, 2015 18:07:03 GMT
Tommy, Mike and Peter, Amen to that! Let's just all enjoy this great site in our own way.
John
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Post by mojolomjl on Feb 2, 2015 21:17:21 GMT
Tommy, Mike and Peter, Amen to that! Let's just all enjoy this great site in our own way. John Well said John, couldn't agree more. It's because we are all different that makes this an interesting site. May it always be Best regards, Maurice.
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Post by carl c on Feb 3, 2015 8:15:15 GMT
I Agree 100% with Peter. There are members that don't appear on site because of health reasons and are in and out of Hospital, But have a lot of pleasure in reading Post, Getting good advice in doing so. Regards, Carl
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Post by carlos65 on Feb 3, 2015 8:42:37 GMT
While I can understand that some people want comments and constructive feedback surely the site is for all people who like echo based music, to read find out educate themselves, comment if they want, post if they want. People who join this site in the main join because they enjoy the site and surely its up to them how they get the best from it. If it becomes selective you will lose members, let people enjoy the site in what ever capacity they want, please do not criticise them, some people are not as confident or forward as others but have taken the time to join the site for their benefit in what ever shape they like.
Carlos
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 8:47:17 GMT
Without getting too critical of anyone. I think Baz probably has got on the right track, I did find it strange with "thousands" of members there is relatively little interest in soundfiles outside of the active group of posters, so the question is what are people signing upto. Hi Shadfan4.....I reckon that you are putting too much emphasis on Soundfiles. A lot of people will probably not have the time, expertise or equipment to generate a sound file....or even the inclination to want to do so.... others, like myself....actually gig live on a regular basis , me for a job, and don't feel the need to share our skills, such as they are, with anyone via the recorded medium.... also, how many versions of Wonderful Land can one person take?..... I like the site because I'm interested in guitars, equipment, playing guitars, other views on a whole host of topics and the whole business in general...... There will be some out there who just have egos to satisfy, and posting Soundfiles gives them an outlet... In the final analysis it doesn't really matter what anyone does or doesn't do......providing we are all friendly, and enjoy music in all its aspects then that's good enough for me...... Regards, TTT
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Post by shadfan4 on Feb 3, 2015 10:49:57 GMT
But that was my observation. It was never the intention to make an issue of it, just a pure academic looking at the ratio's of members/posts. Particularly when compared to another site with only 250 members.
I have to say it's not me that is focusing on whether people should or should not comment and we should all love each other etc, but that is the nature and unfortunate consequence's of forum "thread drift"
Mike.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 13:18:26 GMT
Best put it all to bed I think......RegardsTTT
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Post by kipper on Feb 3, 2015 13:52:55 GMT
But that was my observation. It was never the intention to make an issue of it, just a pure academic looking at the ratio's of members/posts. Particularly when compared to another site with only 250 members. I have to say it's not me that is focusing on whether people should or should not comment and we should all love each other etc, but that is the nature and unfortunate consequence's of forum "thread drift" Mike. hi mike i understand what you started out saying. what i like about discussions like this is the new phases you can learn. the 1st being "forum lurkers" and your "thread drift" which is a great way to describe when this happens , and i hope you dont mind if i use it in the future i do think it`s great when people get involved in threads and we get a good exchange of views in a very friendly fashion. peter
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Post by ronb64 on Feb 3, 2015 13:55:19 GMT
You can take a horse to water but you cant force it to drink !!It will always be that way with forums...
You can place many members into very distinct categories if you really want to - such as:
1. The Observer - the member who just likes to look in and have a listen or read a few threads. 2. The Critic - the member who will criticise almost every tune or comment posted just because they can. ( without being constructive). 3. The Attention Seeker - the member who clearly posts a tune or thread in order to bring people around them to perhaps gain support for an argument or point of view. 4. The Appreciator - the general run of the mill member who really takes a forum for what it is - a platform to freely do what they want to do, comment when they want to, post tunes when they want to and contribute in whatever way ( within the rules ) when they want to. 5. The Part Timer - the member who pops in from time to time, to maybe leave the odd comment or post the odd tune over perhaps a long period of time. I could go on for some time listing other categories but it would be pointless - we are all part of a community that develops and changes every single day - that's what makes it interesting.
Everyone is different and they will be different on every forum that they are a member of....myself included... Just my humble opinion.... Regards Ron.
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Post by philc on Feb 3, 2015 14:12:37 GMT
All good observations Ron except "You can take a horse to water but you can't force it to drink". That should read "You can take a horse to water but Dani Larue has to be dragged" Just lightening the air Phil
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Post by harley on Feb 4, 2015 14:31:42 GMT
regarding the site with only 250 members, dare i suggest it will be predominantly the same people posting and commenting on sound files in not only these two forums, but many others like them. There will be a huge number of "members" who have joined purely to obtain EFTP. Once up and running, many of them will dissapear, never to be seen again unless they have an issue. Everyone comes here for a reason but im sure EFTP is the reason for the large membership figures
Regards Ian
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