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Post by localhero on May 12, 2015 15:59:04 GMT
Same again here, the heavy Flatwounds on my maple board Strat with Hall & Collins through Vox Mini 3. The sound isn't EQd at the recording stage, what you hear is the guitar, amp and echo as it sounds. The decay on the notes interest me as they are in keeping with Hanks but with roundwounds the sound is fuller and the notes sing for longer. FIND ME A GOLDEN STREET soundcloud.com/robbo47/find-me-a-golden-strret |
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Post by Charlie Hall on May 12, 2015 16:38:55 GMT
Hi Dave,
I think it works a lot better for this than for KonTiki. Probably needs less treble though as the echo chatters a bit too much as it is.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by colljaw on May 12, 2015 19:01:11 GMT
Hi Dave, I preferred your version with the round wound strings. I tried heavy flats once and removed them within hours as I didn't like them! I know this is done as an experiment and I respect your efforts. Well played!
Regards,
Jim.
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Post by localhero on May 12, 2015 19:49:33 GMT
That's fine, I'm comparing with the original tracks and they sound as though they are closer than round-wounds to me.
Hank's strings back then were possibly very dead sounding 13/56 round-wounds.
I'm enjoying myself anyway.
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Post by localhero on May 12, 2015 21:25:02 GMT
I have re-mixed and reduced the treble.
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Post by Charlie Hall on May 12, 2015 21:33:38 GMT
Hi Dave,
I think that's about as close as you'll get with flats on. I still think dead roundwounds would be better.
Why not try 36-24-36 with that guitar while it has flats on it? I reckon that could have been done with flats, but on the Gretsch. Why I think that is because I don't detect Hank using the tremolo arm at all.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by Jono on May 15, 2015 9:12:49 GMT
Hi Dave,
Interesting sound & of course well played.
If I might suggest a little less 250-500 khz on the eq-ing & bit more 4-5 khz to get rid of the boxy sound.
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Post by philc on May 15, 2015 12:10:17 GMT
Hi Dave, I think that's about as close as you'll get with flats on. I still think dead roundwounds would be better. Why not try 36-24-36 with that guitar while it has flats on it? I reckon that could have been done with flats, but on the Gretsch. Why I think that is because I don't detect Hank using the tremolo arm at all. Regards, Charlie Hi Charlie, I think it more likely that tremolo was not used because of the way Hank played it, ie. There are no notes played long enough to use tremolo, they are either stopped or muted. Regards, Phil |
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Post by fenderplucker on May 15, 2015 13:09:26 GMT
Oh no, not the Gretsch again!!
Paul.
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Post by philc on May 15, 2015 13:46:04 GMT
Paul, You got me intrigued with this as my last comment was from memory, so put some headphones on and it sounds like there could be tremolo on the open riffs but I very much doubt it, if it is then Hank is doing his quick trem as he does with Zambezi but to be honest this sounds nothing like it. There are only a few places that he could be using tremolo though as quite a lot of the parts are muted, can't hear that pronounced dip on my version or trem on the high parts, there's no dip at 118 sec that you mention but that might be because it's an iTunes download, the timing is different, i'll have to dig out my vinyl if I could only remember where I put them all
Phil
EDIT I was commenting on Pauls post but it has been deleted?
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Post by Charlie Hall on May 15, 2015 14:30:13 GMT
Oh no, not the Gretsch again!! Paul.  Sorry!! |
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Post by Charlie Hall on May 15, 2015 14:31:30 GMT
I don't think there is a single instance of tremolo arm use on 36-24-36. That's what leans me towards the Gretsch too.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by philc on May 15, 2015 14:34:41 GMT
There is no real room for a tremolo arm with this, it's too fast...no need for it, and as I mentioned the other parts are either muted or the notes are stopped...I think it's a Strat.
Phil
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Post by garyallen on May 15, 2015 16:48:23 GMT
It would be interesting to hear 36-24-36 with flatwounds.
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Post by localhero on May 15, 2015 19:55:25 GMT
I don't see any point of continuing with the flat-wound strings Gary because we have done the experiments with other tunes and got close only to prove that it wasn't the right choice when analysing them later. On the Shadows session that 36-24-36 was recorded, the other tracks are Peace Pipe, The Savage and Witchdoctor, four tracks in all. On the strength of that I'm in no hurry to put flats back on and will continue our experiments with the 13/56 Fender round-wounds.
I opened up my studio today and had a tidy round as it gets used as a store room over the winter, allowing me to fire up the AC-30/4 and I had a playing session with one of my Strats that has been in there since last October with strings that are nine months old. I can tell you that with the Hall & Collins the sound was better than anything I've done with the Little Vox AC-4 or Vox Mini 3 and the strings on that are Ernie Ball 9/46 rounds. I'm now looking forward to hearing my Strat with the 13/56s in a few days when they have 'dulled off' a little.
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Post by fenderplucker on May 16, 2015 1:51:30 GMT
Phil,
I deleted my post on use of the trem as I realized that had wrongly interpreted Charlie's comment as applying to Find Me a Golden Street (where there is extensive use) rather than 36-24-36. My mistake.
Paul.
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Post by philc on May 16, 2015 6:22:18 GMT
Paul, I did realise later that your deleted comments were probably as you mentioned, I have done similar, no problem, I think it' scaled a senior moment Phil |
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Post by fenderplucker on May 16, 2015 9:23:13 GMT
Phil,
Now, if I could just remember where I put my guitar.........
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Post by philc on May 16, 2015 9:28:42 GMT
Paul, you left it in the hallway, next to that photo on the wall of Lloyd George sitting on a high chair holding a black handled spoon Phil |
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Post by rogerbayliss on May 28, 2015 19:50:09 GMT
Did someone say sometime back that they thought 36 24 36 was played on neck/bridge combination ? and if so was it a Gretsch or a modified Strat?
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Post by Charlie Hall on May 28, 2015 20:14:09 GMT
Hi Roger,
It was me, and I thought the Gretsch with both pickups, but since Dave has used a Strat recently with fairly convincing results I'm torn between both ideas now.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by rjanuarsa on May 29, 2015 0:09:33 GMT
Oh no, not the Gretsch again!! Paul. Sorry!!  |
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Post by rogerbayliss on May 29, 2015 19:25:49 GMT
Hi Roger, It was me, and I thought the Gretsch with both pickups, but since Dave has used a Strat recently with fairly convincing results I'm torn between both ideas now. Regards, Charlie Hi Charlie There was a discussion on ShadowMusic site some time back about Hank getting a bridge / neck wiring done to a strat early on in 60s. It is suggested he recorded a few songs with this PU combination. Some say the Gretch some say the strat ! I think Dick Denny may have helped Hank with the mod ? |
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Post by Charlie Hall on May 29, 2015 20:27:01 GMT
Hi Roger,
My first Strat had individual toggle switches for each pickup so I was able to get any combination including neck and bridge. I thought that particular sound was thin, much like a Tele with both pickups on.
I would think Dick Denney would have been the most likely one to have done the mod if Hank did have it done.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by philc on May 29, 2015 21:18:27 GMT
This is my recollection of those very early days.
Everything was pretty much new and exciting, it was not like today technically. You bought a guitar and amp, you plugged it in and played, no one I knew had any reason or even thought about adding switches to select different pickups, the sound was what you got from your guitar, we were all happy to play with what we had. To be honest I can't see Hank having his guitars modified....it was a different era, everything was much simpler, this is what I remember....but others might have different memories!
Phil
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Post by rogerbayliss on May 30, 2015 0:10:23 GMT
Found the thread Bridge Neck PU DiscussionAlso when the Burns prototypes were under way they were starting to implement the pickup switching in those so ideas were around at the early 60s stage evidently. also another thread more discussions here |
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Post by Charlie Hall on May 30, 2015 0:34:24 GMT
I haven't seen those discussions before. I do agree that it is possible to make the Strat middle pickup sound a lot more like the neck and bridge together if mid EQ is reduced.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by philc on May 30, 2015 7:20:22 GMT
I added two switches to my old Strat to give pickup combinations but that was back in the 70's.
John Cochrane's quote from another forum.
In Rogers first link Paul makes some good points and his sound files are very close, but I still believe that Hank didn't have a guitar modified, ok, Burns did experiments with this but I would guess not in the very early 60's.
Just have a listen to Robby's Gretch on page 2 of that link without pickup mods, I think eq could get it a tad closer.
Phil
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Post by rogerbayliss on May 31, 2015 18:47:59 GMT
Phil I prefer the Gretch sound personally and I think it is something to do with mixing the two PU's on the guitar as well as the EQ later. As someone noted it has a more bouncy quality to it and that is probably agood description. Paul Rossiter gets near as well of course but it just that little extra fullness in the sound for me that makes me lean towards the Gretch.
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Post by philc on May 31, 2015 22:54:59 GMT
I agree Roger....now where can I find me a Gretch Phil |
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