JOYO AC TONE THROUGH AN AMP?

[sixchannel]

I'm about to play a gig where I have to use the back line amp - an Award Session.
I want to use my AC Tone to get the right sound as the AS is set too neutral for my taste and can't be touched.
Anyone run their AC Tone through an amp or what would happen if I did?
Ian

[Charlie Hall]

Hi Ian,
You might be able to tap into the amp's effects return so the AC Tone has full control of the sound. The only problem I can think of with that is that the AC Tone might not have enough output to drive the amp to sufficient volume.
Otherwise, I think plugging into the amp in the usual way will be OK.
Just make sure you have time to set your sound before you play.
Regards,
Charlie

[sixchannel]

Many thanks Charlie.
The back line already uses the send-return loop between echo and amp. We aren't allowed to tamper.
All we players get is a lead to plug into the guitar, or pedal board.
My pedals are all pre-set so it should be "plug and play". Hopefully.
Tip for those who might gig with pedal board - I have marked the knob positions on the pedals with Tippex dots so i can quickly see if any have moved.
Ian

[Tone]

Hi Ian

I use my Joyo with my Fender Twin, with the latter's tone controls being set flat. I'll probably get cries of horror because I'm doing it wrong but I've put the Joyo between the guitar and the echo unit! Nevertheless, I can get a wide variety of (to me) very pleasing sounds. And there's no problem in getting a decent input level to the Twin. I find the Joyo's 'Voice' control particularly useful for tweaking the tone.

Cheers and good luck.

Tony

[sixchannel]

Hi Tony
great info too! Many thank. I dont know how the amp is set - I would imagine pretty flat.
I love that "Voice" knob. For me, I have found the Sweet Spot" that suits my Kinman FVs perfectly. I used in on my last two Pierre Teodori covers here.
I'm going to take it and plug it in and have a listen. If the Organisers have a Dicky Fit with me, then so be it.
Cheers
ian

[Charlie Hall]

There is a lot of confusion and misunderstanding with what is considered to be flat on guitar amps. I think the Session amps have a setting in the instruction manual or maybe elsewhere that describes how to set the tone controls for the nearest to a flat setting, and it isn't with the knobs at 12 o' clock.
Similar with Fender Twins. The sound is flattest with the middle control at maximum, and the bass and treble controls set very low or at minimum, depending on which Fender model it is.
Regards,
Charlie

[sixchannel]

Thank you,again Charlie. I wouldn't have known that nor do i know what its settings have ever been but you can bet I'm going to look now. I guess you can't blame them for setting the amp however it is. They will need to cater for all kinds of guitars from (say) Affinity Squeirs to Strats like mine with Kinman FVs in, and everything in between.
Ian

[Tone]

Nov 24, 2015 13:22:40 GMT Charlie Hall said:

There is a lot of confusion and misunderstanding with what is considered to be flat on guitar amps. I think the Session amps have a setting in the instruction manual or maybe elsewhere that describes how to set the tone controls for the nearest to a flat setting, and it isn't with the knobs at 12 o' clock.
Similar with Fender Twins. The sound is flattest with the middle control at maximum, and the bass and treble controls set very low or at minimum, depending on which Fender model it is.
Regards,
Charlie

Hi Charlie

Yes, those settings are pretty much what I have on my Twin based on advice on this forum using the Tone Stack Calculator program.

Cheers. Tony

C

[Geza]

Hi Ian,
You used a term "back line amp" in your 1st post and also mentioned that it cannot be touched.
Both sounds a bit strange to me.
Do you mean, that besides your strat other instruments and vocals will go through that same award session amp that's why it will be set to flat EQ?

If that's the case, what's the difference between a PA and a "back line amp"?

(it might be just a configuration or a band setup that I've never seen or maybe I have, in that case the term "back line amp" is new for me.)

Regards,
Geza

[sixchannel]

Nov 24, 2015 16:26:01 GMT Geza said:

Hi Ian,
You used a term "back line amp" in your 1st post and also mentioned that it cannot be touched.
Both sounds a bit strange to me.
Do you mean, that besides your strat other instruments and vocals will go through that same award session amp that's why it will be set to flat EQ?

If that's the case, what's the difference between a PA and a "back line amp"?

(it might be just a configuration or a band setup that I've never seen or maybe I have, in that case the term "back line amp" is new for me.)

Regards,
Geza

Hi Geza
The Organisers set up their own equipment and all players must use it. For the guitarist there is a guitar lead for your guitar that runs into a send-return loop through an EFTP echo unit to the amplifier. The Player is not allowed to touch the settings they set on the amplifier.
For Backing Tracks and Vocals there is a separate PA.
I hope that explains it.
Ian

[Geza]

Hi Ian,

Thanks for explaining the situation for me. So, do they provide the EFTP for all players, or they only provide a cable hooked up to the send-return loop and you're going to use your own EFTP?
If you're allowed to use your own EFTP, couldn't also use an EQ stomp like a Caline one?

Geza

[ha2he]

Hi Ian,

Just out of interest... how did you get on?
Hope it went well.

Regards,
Tim.

[sixchannel]

Gig not for two weeks. Was just getting my ducks in a row, so to speak.
Wouldn't go down well if I blew the amp up!!
Cunning Plan is to try it into the amp just as if it were just my final pedal on the board.
If it creates a problem, then its rectified in seconds by simply removing it from the line.
Cheers
Ian

[ha2he]

Hi Ian,

I can't see any problem with what you have in mind. Having heard your recent posting of "First Date" among others I jumped in and bought one.
Glad I did. I've tried it into the return of the amp loop and into the front of the amp with no problem, obviously it also works into the computer too.

Regards,
Tim.

[sixchannel]

Obviously not thinking it through!! - I HAVE an amp - my gigging Vox VT60 - so I conducted an "experiment".
Its still in one piece!!
Amp set with everything set 12 0clock - right or wrong, doesnt matter cos I dont know what the backline amp will be set at on the day.
The first thing that was immediately obvious was that with the Drive set high'ish (as it was when unplugged from my "recording" set up, it overloaded the input bare sound and gave it an unwanted distortion. Adding my Compressor in then made it sound worse, and its only set at a low level. It was necessary to reduce the Drive to 10 o clock to get it clean'ish. Thats easily compensated for by upping the Level, which I use as a Volume control anyway.
For Into The Light and stuff where I use the Boss OD pedal, I was puzzled by the sound - it sounds more defined now and "louder" for the same setting.
However, I think its a Go for the Gig.
Just for the sake of the argument - the chain went - Guitar - Boss OD pedal (when in use) - Boss Compressor - Q2EFTP or Zoom2000EFTP (Q2 better)-Joyo AC Tone - Vox VT60 set on AC30 setting.
Ian

[ha2he]

Hi Ian,

I think of it as an overdrive pedal with amp like tones and as such can go anywhere without doing harm.
Putting the Joyo last in the chain makes sense given what it is supposed to be doing.
I see no reason why you can't achieve what you want with a few minutes and some adjustments.

Regards,
Tim.

[sixchannel]

The results from Sunday were " interesting ".
Basically, it didn't work!!!
Running in to the amp through the amp/echo setup send-return loop the volume was MASSIVE and distorted, even with the Joyo Level and Gain set quite low. By the time I had got it tamed to some sort of " normal" volume (when compared to other Players) all the Tonality had gone.
I pulled the Joyo out of the pedal board line and it all returned to the usual standard backline EQ and volume.
Baffled but I shallnt take it again.
Just thought I'd update you.
Ian