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Post by GAJ52 on Feb 3, 2016 9:47:24 GMT
I use the H&C mainly for recording and because of noise problems I can't use a normal guitar amplifier. In a sudden rush of blood to the head I used some of the kids inheritance and bought a Line 6 Helix which is supposed to have some very good Amplifier simulations including the AC15/AC30, plus I liked the look of it !!
If I use the H&C as a Insert (send/return) before the Amp in the chain, I get a slight distortion and have to turn the AC15 gain down to something like 1. If I put the H&C after the amp the distortion is less but am I losing some of the echo effects by doing this ? I currently plug my guitar into the H&C with the output going into the Helix guitar input, I still get slight distortion if I up the amplifier gain to 2 or 2.5.
Before I go to the Line 6 support forum somebody is bound to ask me if the H&C has a slightly amplified output, as I know absolutely zero about electronics I don't have clue what kind of signal comes out of the H&C - any advice please.
Glen
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Post by Charlie Hall on Feb 3, 2016 10:21:02 GMT
Hi Glen,
The H&C unit has about the same input headroom as a Meazzi valve preamp, which is around 600mv. There should be little or no gain with the Dry Level set to 3 o' clock.
With the guitar connected to the H&C and then on to the amp (recommended), then any distortion heard would be to do with the headroom of the amp at its various gain settings. You will hear if the H&C has gain simply by bypassing it and connecting the guitar direct to the amp. If the volume level is about the same, then there is little or no gain.
I do not recommend the H&C to be used in an effects loop. A Meazzi echo would work no better in that configuration. It depends on the effects loop's signal levels, they are often much higher than that from a guitar.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by GAJ52 on Feb 3, 2016 11:09:46 GMT
Many thanks for clearing that up Charlie, much appreciated  Regards Glen |
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Post by musketeer58 on Apr 29, 2016 6:48:23 GMT
I do not recommend the H&C to be used in an effects loop. A Meazzi echo would work no better in that configuration. It depends on the effects loop's signal levels, they are often much higher than that from a guitar. Regards, Charlie Hi Charlie. I was just browsing through a few threads and came across this one. I`ve always used my H&C through the effects loop on my AC30 and it`s been great. You mentioned the signal levels but I`m not sure what you meant so, if you could give me a bit of an idea, that would be great. Regards Adrian |
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Post by Charlie Hall on Apr 29, 2016 8:42:52 GMT
Hi Adrian,
Many effects loops work at signal levels much higher than from a guitar. I don't know about the levels in your AC30's effects loop though.
My thinking is simply to use the unit in the same way that Hank used his echo units in the 60s, ie. connected between the guitar and the amp. Then the signals will be processed by the unit in the same way as they were when Hank played then.
If you are happy with the unit in the effects loop then that's fine too. Have you compared both ways to see if you hear any differences?
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by musketeer58 on Apr 30, 2016 10:32:15 GMT
Thanks for the reply Charlie, makes more sense to me now.
I tried it between the guitar and the amp and I prefer it. It sounds a lot better but just a little bright in the high top boost even with the tone cut at almost full and because you`ve explained the signal levels etc, I understand it a lot better. Ever since I`ve had this amp I`ve always used the effects loop but I probably won`t be now.
Thanks for the advice Charlie.
Regards
Adrian
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Post by poppastarr on May 13, 2016 6:32:05 GMT
Hi Charlie
I'm a bit late in this post but you've helped me solve a bit of a problem. I've always use the H@C after my Vox tonelab, guitar into the tonelab) this has been satisfactorily with the 5 fancy video's I have on YouTube using the H@C. Just type in Val Starr on You Tube(not the USA Val Starr). Anyway recently I've been relearning the Shadows 'Moonlight Shadow' which I started many many years back but gave up on the solo's. However now that my fingering speed has increased I thought I would give it another go,(still working on it). Now to the problem solving. I've used your patch P37 which is great, but I noted that when playing the part of the tune where the words would sing or guitar would play 'Moonlight Shadow' there is a repeat of the word 'Shadow'(hope this makes sense). In the setup I had the repeat wasn't that noticeable. Now that I have placed the guitar directly into the H@C and the H@C into the Vox tonelab without any other adjustment the repeat is very much more noticeable. It really made a difference.
Regards and thank you
Val
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Post by Charlie Hall on May 13, 2016 14:37:41 GMT
Hi Val,
Thanks. it sounds like the Tonelab was driving the H & C harder than the signal from the guitar alone.
I know exactly what you mean about the repeat of "Shadow"!
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by poppastarr on May 13, 2016 22:17:56 GMT
HI Charlie
Thank you for the response. Initially to counteract the lack of repeat I turned up the Echo drive/level a bit on the H@C but of course that increased the echo level overall. Now that I have the guitar directly into the H@C I find I can leave the settings at 3.
Regards
Val
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