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Post by shadfan4 on Feb 18, 2016 0:23:04 GMT
While in GAK Brighton today picking up my Cubase 8.5 Pro DAW, I couldn't believe the brand new strat for sale, It was "Heavy Relic'd" priced at £3290!!! the body was certainly well scarred & worn, the fretboard looked completely knackered, two of the plastic knobs were missing (vol & tone) the middle knob was broken in half. I was very tempted but managed to fight off the impulse buying spree for such a beautiful instrument. Mike. PS: it made my new Gibson ES 335 look really scruffy  |
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Post by Stu's Dad on Feb 18, 2016 1:50:28 GMT
Mike,
Are you sure there wasn't a decimal point between the 2 and the 9?
I might be tempted myself at £32.90. I'll never understand the desire to pay thousands for something that looks like it's been used for shovelling coal.
Crazy old world.....................
Len
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Post by sandra on Feb 18, 2016 3:16:11 GMT
I am always amazed at why anyone would want a new "relic" but I guess it goes with the brand new pairs of ripped jeans and things like that  |
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Post by sixchannel on Feb 18, 2016 8:27:00 GMT
It has to be about the fake "appearance" to the general public. "Me and my guitar been on the road for years, man". Just another "con".
Q - has anyone EVER seen guitars in performance use by Professionals (not kids or amateur wannabe rockstars) looking like that? Ignore fret and board wear - I mean wrecked cosmetically?
Ian
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Post by ha2he on Feb 18, 2016 8:46:28 GMT
Hi All,
I can see there is much work in making these old looking guitars hence the additional cost....
Not for me though.
I have heard but can't verify it that Keith Richards started it many years ago by asking if he could have a guitar that didn't look so new!
Regards,
Tim.
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Post by Steve Reynolds on Feb 18, 2016 9:19:49 GMT
Im not a fan of relics, its too fake to me.
However last year my bass player lent me his 63 strat which has been battered more than probably most relics and that was a dream because every scar had been at a gig over the years and had a tall to tell.
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Post by ha2he on Feb 18, 2016 13:39:38 GMT
Another thought....
I have seen at GAK the David Gilmour black strat relic alongside the NOS version both beautiful in their own way.
The relicked has captured a moment in the life of that guitar... however it still continues to be used and will no doubt gain some more battlescars.
If you bought the relicked one and used it and marked it would that be considered as damage rather than wear. If that is the case then get a new one
make it yours with your own dings and scratches.
Regards,
Tim.
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Post by philc on Feb 18, 2016 14:54:40 GMT
Hi Mike,
There's quite a lot of Strat Relics on Gak and all differet prices, I remember seeing Rory Gallagher's re-issue a few years ago, it looked really authentic.
BTW, do you know the way to sell if those age body marks are original?
Phil
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Post by bor64 on Feb 18, 2016 15:23:36 GMT
I haven't a problem if a reliced guitar replaced a very high prized genuine old guitar on stage and tour so the original can stay safely at home.
So the original stays out of harms way and can't be stolen....and in case the replica is gone, it can be replaced.
Relicing a good guitar get me goosebumps all over, everybody who ever bought a guitar spanking new, can remember the first dent or scratch on that guitar and the feeling with it...
Guitars are to be played and they get "battle scars" along the line...my 58 strat has the most battle scars of all my other guitars together, but it's nearly 60 years old...
The wear spots are looking natural because they are, on 99,9 % of the reliced ones I can spot them as fake and handmade by someone who wants that wear on that guitar asap.
Cheers Rob
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Post by andyj47 on Feb 18, 2016 17:11:09 GMT
hi ian,I think its more of a heavy or bluesy thing to want a guitar that looks like that,most of the players in our genre like them to look good.hank and bruce don't have strats looking wrecked.once met bruce at a shadows do and he let us be photographed with the original strat,I remarked on a mark by the jack socket and helaughed and said that's the worst thing that's happened to it in 41 years.this would have been in 2000.this guitar will have had a lot of use and still looks good.
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Post by bor64 on Feb 18, 2016 17:31:21 GMT
Well that's maybe the story what Bruce recaled, pictures of that famouse 34346 at her early life proofed otherwise...
Bald spots on the rim of the lower horn and that infamous falling of the transit bus out of her case and a broken low E tuning peg.....
Cheers Rob
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Post by sandra on Feb 18, 2016 19:09:17 GMT
It has to be about the fake "appearance" to the general public. "Me and my guitar been on the road for years, man". Just another "con". Q - has anyone EVER seen guitars in performance use by Professionals (not kids or amateur wannabe rockstars) looking like that? Ignore fret and board wear - I mean wrecked cosmetically? Ian I think that Francis Rossi's '59 green Telecaster was pretty well bashed about until he finally had to retire it Ian. |
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Post by timryland on Feb 18, 2016 20:19:48 GMT
Rory Gallagher's Strat; original sunburst finish almost completely worn away.
Tim.
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Post by philc on Feb 18, 2016 20:31:57 GMT
Well that's maybe the story what Bruce recaled, pictures of that famouse 34346 at her early life proofed otherwise... Bald spots on the rim of the lower horn and that infamous falling of the transit bus out of her case and a broken low E tuning peg..... Cheers Rob I'm sure that's why Bruce had it refinished......sadly! Phil |
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Post by sixchannel on Feb 18, 2016 20:34:21 GMT
Ok, i can live with "natural" relic'ing occuring after many years of use and not intentional abuse.
But would you buy a new car and then run it into a wall a few times so it looked ready for the scrapheap?
Ian
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Post by baz on Feb 18, 2016 20:53:13 GMT
Ian............. I've got a car like that.........and the wall I ran it into  Baz |
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Post by philc on Feb 18, 2016 21:47:14 GMT
Ok, i can live with "natural" relic'ing occuring after many years of use and not intentional abuse. But would you buy a new car and then run it into a wall a few times so it looked ready for the scrapheap? Ian Not quite the same Ian People who buy Heavy Relic'd guitars do it because they really want a real oldie, because of what it is, where it has been, who played it and the sound that originals are supposed to have, it's a feel good situation......and a lot cheaper than an original  The more wear it's showing, the more credit it has as being in all the right places and situations and the imagination takes over, all be it make believe! Phil |
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Post by sixchannel on Feb 18, 2016 22:14:12 GMT
I know! I know! Im just having a rant!!  Ian the Curmudgeon |
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Post by sandra on Feb 19, 2016 3:55:43 GMT
. But would you buy a new car and then run it into a wall a few times so it looked ready for the scrapheap? Ian Some of the guys around here who do not like eating bacon butties but like to do the crash for cash scams probably would do Ian  |
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Post by Simon Underwood on Feb 19, 2016 8:52:47 GMT
I'm just waiting for the Pete Townshend Heavy Relic signature Strat!
Simon
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 8:55:12 GMT
Ok, i can live with "natural" relic'ing occuring after many years of use and not intentional abuse. But would you buy a new car and then run it into a wall a few times so it looked ready for the scrapheap? Ian Hi Ian......ah ...memories.....remember the aptly named Folly Lane and a green 100E Ford Prefect?.....Paul..... |
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Post by bor64 on Feb 19, 2016 9:53:41 GMT
Hi Phil,
It was Cliff who first ordered a re-spray in white around 62/63, and Bruce was the one who ask Chandler to re-do it in some version of fiésta red, in the first part of the 80's
Cheers Rob
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Post by philc on Feb 19, 2016 10:09:30 GMT
Rob, I had forgotten about the first refinish...one is bad enough Phil |
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Post by sixchannel on Feb 19, 2016 13:45:28 GMT
Ok, i can live with "natural" relic'ing occuring after many years of use and not intentional abuse. But would you buy a new car and then run it into a wall a few times so it looked ready for the scrapheap? Ian Hi Ian......ah ...memories.....remember the aptly named Folly Lane and a green 100E Ford Prefect?.....Paul..... Ah yes, i remember it well! Ouch!! Still have the visible scars. That night it became "heavily relic'd" 100E Ford Imperfect? Officially it was Rocky Lane. I was never sure where Folly Lane actually segued into Rocky Lane. Probably right there on tbat S bend. Remember its replacement? A certain red Vauxhall Victor 723 BMB Previous owner - one Mr P.G.Shaw?  Ian |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 17:37:51 GMT
Hi Ian......ah ...memories.....remember the aptly named Folly Lane and a green 100E Ford Prefect?.....Paul..... Ah yes, i remember it well! Ouch!! Still have the visible scars. That night it became "heavily relic'd" 100E Ford Imperfect? Officially it was Rocky Lane. I was never sure where Folly Lane actually segued into Rocky Lane. Probably right there on tbat S bend. Remember its replacement? A certain red Vauxhall Victor 723 BMB Previous owner - one Mr P.G.Shaw? Ian I remember the Victor well...that would be a real relic now...the paint was thicker than the metal?....and the performance.... 0 to 60 on the same day.....it didn't have a speedo, it had a calendar....... back to guitars...what about your Hofner V3......and that large full bodied cello cutaway with one DeArmond pup.....relics in the making..... but modern relics are not for me also....they are for people who are legends in their own heads..... oops....Tin Hat time.... Paul.... |
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Post by sixchannel on Feb 19, 2016 19:26:20 GMT
Hi Paul at the risk of shanghai'ing this thread - and sorry if we are (please tell us and I'll stop) - here is that very Archtop - an Otwin "Rhythm", bought second hand from Smiths Music Store on Monton Road c September 1960. "Someone" had bodged a black bakelite lipstick type pickup (I'm sure it wasnt a De Armond - too posh!) onto it with a control panel at the bottom bout (maybe an ex-Hofner panel?). Lovely to look at, I thought at the time but thinking back it was truly dreadful to play, but when it was all you had - -  Fancy a challenge, Paul ? Name that old guitar? You'll know the people - but what guitars are they playing?? lol Up to you? cheers ian |
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Post by sandytuck on Feb 19, 2016 23:30:18 GMT
Hi guys,
Some people treat their precious Guitars worse then Trade tools.
Have seen people just throw their guitars at the case and miss.
Unreal, If they do that can you imagine them cleaning the strings, Frets or the body.
Cheers Les.
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