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Post by Charlie Hall on Mar 29, 2016 22:54:41 GMT
In this video of La Comparsa by The Red Strats, Roy Soerioroseno is using the Hall & Collins Signature Echo. The video is also linked to on the Hall & Collins site.
Edit: I have removed the video link from this post
Further edit: It is now known that the Hall & Collins Signature Echo was not used (at least not used in the generally accepted sense) in the video.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by grip on Mar 30, 2016 7:06:59 GMT
Hi Charlie,
I'm curious to know what the modification (gemodificeerde)that has been done to it.
Kind regards,
Chris
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Post by Charlie Hall on Mar 30, 2016 9:46:47 GMT
Hi Chris,
I don't know, but I suspect that the patch is based on P31 as it sounds much like that patch to me, with maybe an echo level adjustment and possibly a feedback adjustment, and the patch renamed!
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by grip on Mar 30, 2016 16:24:17 GMT
Hi Charlie,
I had assumed (probably wrongly) that it was perhaps a hardware mod as it was so prominent on the video.
Kind regards,
Chris
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Post by Charlie Hall on Mar 30, 2016 17:12:52 GMT
Hi Chris,
It's very unlikely to be a hardware mod and the idea never entered my mind. Sometimes you have to not take translations too literally!
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by ha2he on Mar 30, 2016 22:37:08 GMT
Hi Charlie & Chris,
Not familiar with this tune but very nice and very well played.
I can only imagine some patch editing has taken place.
In much the same way as I have edited patches for U2 and Pink Floyd.
Regards,
Tim.
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Post by Charlie Hall on Mar 30, 2016 22:46:36 GMT
I think it's heads 4 5 and 6 of the Long Tom sound which patch P31 is based on. There probably isn't much more that can be done to edit the patch without messing it up! Apart from what I already mentioned. You could try altering the head levels. I wouldn't recommend altering the individual head feedback settings too much in this case as it could get out of control very quickly! Why not give it a go and see what happens? You don't have to save it if you don't like what you end up with! I don't personally think there's much room for improvement but on the other hand you might just end up with something that could be useful.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by bor64 on Mar 31, 2016 15:55:36 GMT
I'm a Dutchie and the way this is written, it seems to want to create the illusion the HCSE is modified, althought it has the appearances of this.
It can go both ways but the text is leaning towards a modified HCSE hardware wise....
Cheers Rob
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Post by Steve Reynolds on Mar 31, 2016 21:34:34 GMT
im pretty sure i heard when i went to the Meeting in October in Holland that Roys has been modified hardware wise but i couldnt find out what .
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Post by bor64 on Apr 1, 2016 8:33:17 GMT
So no warranty service anymore by electromech for that unit I reckon?
I wonder what could be modified hardware wise on the HCSE....if so I'm sure Charlie would have done it!
As far as I know Charlie, he goes for a 1000% score!
Cheers Rob
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Post by Charlie Hall on Apr 2, 2016 9:49:30 GMT
Exactly, Rob. If the wording indicates that a modification is with the hardware, I would say it is very unlikely to have happened for several reasons.
The analogue circuit design mimics almost perfectly the sound and characteristics of the Echomatic 2 echo unit. Why try to imprcve something that can already re-create the holy grail echo sound?
The circuit board would be very difficult to trace out since many components are SM type that have no identification markings.
Unauthorised modifications would also almost certainly make the warranty invalid.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by bor64 on Apr 3, 2016 15:31:58 GMT
Seems that the HCSE is modified indeed, apparently that was the story during the shads meeting in Holland. If so, this sound clip doesn't represent a HCSE in it true form....so it's not on it's place on the HCSE website as a demo to say the least.  Furthermore also not on this site....  Come to think about it, is Roy a member here BTW? Just my 2p Thin hat in place  Cheers Rob |
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Post by Charlie Hall on Apr 3, 2016 19:59:17 GMT
Hi Rob,
I was thinking all the same things and I think you are right that the recording should not be considered a demo of the HCSE, until such time as we know different!
I have heard a very similar sounding recording on YouTube, and I intend to compare the two recordings to see how they match!
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by Charlie Hall on Apr 7, 2016 16:57:08 GMT
I have compared the so called modified H&C demo video: link: www.youtube.com/watch?v=lanupCDD0sswith the following file 141221 The Red Strats - La Comparsa by eosroydon and Published on YouTube on 6 Feb 2015 where it states that the performance was on 21st December 2014, taken from the wording accompanying the upload: "Een ode aan Jan de Hont die ook aanwezig was op ons kerstconcert in Maarssen op 21 december 2014." link: www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4elKCoeNisI extracted the audio from both files as mp3 files, then imported both mp3 files into Sonar 2 as two stereo tracks, and aligned them perfectly. I also took two screenshots showing the starting note of the lead guitar. The "demo" file was about 7dB quieter than the other file so I adjusted that file by the appropriate amount to cause cancellation when the two files were set to be out of phase. Cancellation was almost perfect throughout, and only some distorted highs remained, apart from the fade in and fade out of the "demo" file. I made a wav file and an mp3 file of the cancelled out recording. The experiment proves that the recording supposedly made in December 2014 (or in any case by 6 Feb 2015), well before the Hall & Collins Signature Echo was released, was used for the fake "demo" file. It also proves that the stage scenes of the "demo" video were not played live, but mimed to the existing recording. It also of course means that the Hall & Collins Signature Echo was not used on either recording. The question that then has to be asked is why state the unit was modified if it was not even used??!! I have to apologise to everyone for being sucked in by this "demo" video. We had also asked for permission to link to it from the Hall & Collins site. If we had known it was a fake demo then of course we would not have bothered to use it. Regards, Charlie |
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Post by baz on Apr 7, 2016 17:06:18 GMT
the world's full of scheisters Charlie....but its hard to see what the motivation behind it would be
Baz
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Post by Charlie Hall on Apr 7, 2016 17:19:24 GMT
Hi Baz,
There is a story as to the reason but I need to see more proof before I should say anything about that! For the moment, I am livid that no thought or concern was given to my reputation or that of John or indeed the manufacturer with this saga.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by bor64 on Apr 7, 2016 19:05:28 GMT
I'm not supriced at all....
Cheers Rob
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Post by biggs1946 on Apr 8, 2016 9:02:49 GMT
I don't know what has happened here but all I can say is that I have known Roy personally for many years and he most certainly is not a "scheister" as has been inferred. He is also one of the best guitarists you will ever hear, so I am certain he would not personally have any truck with any form of trickery, and certainly not miming... Maybe someone else has tampered with his video, I don't know... Anyway I am sad to read this about a friend and fellow musician who has the highest of standards..
It is a pity that he is not a member on here, so that he could defend himself but I am sure he would be mortified to read all this
Regards,
Jeff
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Post by Charlie Hall on Apr 8, 2016 9:14:32 GMT
Jeff, both videos were uploaded to YouTube by eosroydon. The videos prove that miming has taken place on at least one of them.
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Post by Steve Reynolds on Apr 8, 2016 9:22:20 GMT
very strange, as above Roy is held in very high regard from those in the shadows communities. Cant really see what benefit or malice the video does, assume that their is more to it than we are aware.
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Post by Charlie Hall on Apr 8, 2016 9:31:43 GMT
There is no doubting he is a good player. It is why I thought it was a good idea to use the video. I was wrong.
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Post by garyallen on Apr 8, 2016 12:42:46 GMT
I thought there was something fishy about this.....
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Post by andyj47 on Apr 8, 2016 14:51:34 GMT
what has actually happened here,ive lost the plot seems to happen a lot these days!
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Post by bor64 on Apr 9, 2016 11:17:19 GMT
Well Andy welcome by the forgetful ones club ;-)
Just read this tread back and a lot will gets clear...
Cheers Rob
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Post by Charlie Hall on Apr 14, 2016 18:45:59 GMT
I just found out that the first link of the fake demo has been removed from YouTube, which is what I thought would happen. I took the precaution of downloading a copy of it, and also took a screenshot to prove it was on there.
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