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Post by Ed Cornish on Nov 4, 2016 10:38:05 GMT
My setup is as follows;
Guitar - ACtone (bypass on)- ZoomG3 - Laptop (with earphones)
This is OK provided I keep the laptop plugged in - ie charging
If I unplug the power lead and use the setup via the laptop battery,
I encounter a fairly loud hum - if I turn the bypass off the hum goes away.
I have both the G3 and Actone dc powered.
What is that all about?
Ed
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Post by Charlie Hall on Nov 4, 2016 11:22:33 GMT
Sounds like the issue might be with the ACTone not playing nice with something else in the chain. What happens if you remove the ACTone completely from the chain?
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2016 11:31:17 GMT
One other thing have you got amp sims turned on on the G3 ?? Try turning those off and just running with the Jayo pedal as a amp simulation device and the G3 for effects only no amp sims or compression turn those OFF. With 2 lots of amp sims in a line all sorts of horrible things can happen including too much gain which will cause Hummmm I just noticed the jayo pedal is in standby try what Charlie suggests .. worth a try George  Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards |
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Post by Ed Cornish on Nov 4, 2016 19:28:38 GMT
Charlie, if I remove the actone I don't have any problems. It does sound better with it in the chain.
Would it make a difference if I moved the actone to the end of the chain. (which means I would have to
use a guitar interface to connect to the laptop yes!)
George, what do you mean turn the amp sims OFF. I thought it was just a matter of
making a choice from ***'s patches - with or without sim! Or do you mean something
else? (in most cases I use the patches without amp sim)
Thanks
Ed
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Post by Charlie Hall on Nov 4, 2016 20:01:39 GMT
Is your DC adaptor for the ACTone a regulated type? Have you tried running the ACTone on battery power?
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by bazmusicman on Nov 4, 2016 20:13:31 GMT
The ACTone should be at the end of your chain.... it simulates an Amplifier controls, so it should go where an Amplifier would be.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2016 21:25:41 GMT
Ed let me put it like this. If you have amp sims on in the G3 and use the Jayo pedal you are on fact amping the sound twice. For example if you use G3 in conjunction with an amp and leave the amp sims on the G3 you are again amping twice. You only want amp sims if you are going into a computer a mixer or a power amp. Doubling up gives unpredictable results like hiss or buzz and rarely sounds good and usually sounds naff in my experience Try the Jayo before and after the G3 go with what sounds best. Use your ears. Hope it makes sense now. George Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards |
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Post by Ed Cornish on Nov 4, 2016 21:55:41 GMT
Hi guys,
Charlie, I bought the dc adaptor from Joyo themselves. There is no brand name on it and it does look rather generic! I have not tried battery power to be honest. It's a pricey 9v one but I shall give that a try!
Baz, you are right, that is what I think but a young technie I know was adamant it should be first in the chain. I took his advice but I shall now swap it around!
George, I initially did make the double amping mistake with ***'s patches, but he provides a patch without any sim and it does sound better.
Tomorrow I shall do some more experimenting re the above and I will let you know how I get on.
Thanks again
Ed
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2016 23:20:45 GMT
Ed One thing try the jayo pedal before and after the G3 there are 2 schools of thought your young tech guy is not wrong and neither is Baz. The reason the tech guy said before is that if you put the jayo after the G3 you will be pre-amping and possibly compressing or even distorting your echoes he has a valid point. Having said that most of the time pedals go before an amp. However if your amp has an effects loop you would put echo / delay through it thus bypassing the preamp. Running the Jayo before the G3 will achieve the same thing . Frankly different schools of thought. Try the Jayo before and after use your ears to judge. Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards |
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Post by Ed Cornish on Nov 5, 2016 21:27:51 GMT
Hi George,
In this instance my techie was right - it should be before the G3. Placed after the G3, the echoes were distorted to the point where it sounded as if I had switched to the dirty channel! And there seemed to be no distinction between patches either! Why use the Actone when I could just use the
G3 patches from ***. To my ear the Actone gives the setup a boost which sounds better provided I use the alternative patches without amp sim.
( All I need now is a decent guitar!! )
I have now tried both the dc adaptor and the battery on the Actone. It is marginally quieter with the battery. The only way I can get rid of the hum is to plug the laptop into the mains! A bit weird or what!
Thanks for your help
Ed
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Post by George Lewis on Nov 5, 2016 23:32:22 GMT
(which means I would have to use a guitar interface to connect to the laptop yes!) Hi Ed, I assume you are using the G3 as the recording interface with the USB connection ? If so, a couple of things to check or consider. USB interfaces can produce hum especially when connected to a Laptop on battery power. Is the hum actually recorded ? For the G3 are you using battery, AC adaptor or USB powered and do any of these affect the hum ? When plugging the Joyo into the G3, do you set the G3 input switch to "active" ? Though you are not using the G3 "balanced out" connection, does setting the ground switch to "lift" or "connect" make any difference ? Finally, when using AC are all adaptors etc plugged into the same socket or powerboard as not doing this can sometimes cause earth loop type hum. Regards George |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 10:29:31 GMT
Ed Thanks for letting me know it's worth the time to get it right. Before the G3 it is !! I would say plug the laptop into the mains and leave it at that if it cures the issue and get to purpose of it all. Playing. . Maybe an earth or something when you plug laptop to mains. George. Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards |
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Post by sixchannel on Nov 9, 2016 8:46:49 GMT
As an ACTone user, and one who uses it in the chain for all recordings -
I run it on a Duracell PP3 and battery life is VERY long. Just remember to unplug it from the chain when youre done - like you would do with any other battery driven DC stomp pedal. Its allegedly true bypass so shouldnt need to, but i always do.
I know its against the perceived wisdom but I get the "quietest" results with it BEFORE my Q2, rather than after which I would have thought 'nornal'. Dont know why - it just is.
Maybe I've got a 'noisy' one but even so it does still produce a little background noise but i forgve it because it is SO good at emulating an AC30. And anyway, have you EVER heard a 'quiet' AC30? They hiss like an old steam engine! Lol!
Ian
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Post by Ed Cornish on Nov 9, 2016 22:59:19 GMT
George, I have been laid low for a few days, hence the delay in this post. I actually did check the active/passive and grounded switch on the G3, but neither of them in or out made any difference. And yes, both adaptors use the same power extension. Having gone through all that, I am now a bit suspicious of the desktop computer I have running close by (raised eyebrows). Looks like I shall have to move the whole setup away from it, and see what happens! I'll post again in a few days.
Ian, thanks for the info - I was using a battery but kept forgetting to unplug the pedal from the chain, hence the purchase of the adaptor.
Cheers
Ed
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