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Post by sheendigs on Aug 26, 2009 16:41:09 GMT
Hi Folks! I think anyone was waiting for that.. The Copicat Gold will be back in September.. Go here: www.wemwatkins.co.uk/Click on the left where it says The Watkins Copicat is back. And behold for a surprise.. Memories,Settings,Echo type,Varispeed,Wobble, tone, input gain and head select are there. There is also a PDF file that explains everything! Be sure to read about that. 12 user memories are available bringing it to 72 individual effects to be stored (impressive), foot switch.. Some guys were wondering in a link..it there was not anything new...well! I hope it rocks..Enjoy ;D Sheendigs |
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Post by burnsguitar on Aug 26, 2009 19:48:03 GMT
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Post by betowelch on Aug 26, 2009 20:34:08 GMT
Hi Sheendigs and All:
Good news.....This is a "cat" that I would like to have.....
Cheers from Brazil!
Roberto
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Post by BarryH on Aug 26, 2009 21:33:43 GMT
The "new" WEM Copicat caused quite a bit of a stir over on the Shadow Music forum a few months back. It had been sent to Dave Robinson for some initial sound checks and trials, Dave being a regular gigging musician.
The views from the forum members was quite mixed, the Copicat eventually went back to Watkins for further development. I think Charlie was also asked for his input at one stage. After the Copicat was returned, it all went a bit quiet.
The prices tossed around on the other site were in the £600 - £800 bracket although no one could quote an exact figure.
It would be a nice change to have a "new" echo unit available and at a realistic price. I think like most of us, the Zooms and Quadraverbs we mostly use have been around for a long time and can tend to be a bit wobbly at times.
Cheers
Barry
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Post by olemuso on Aug 26, 2009 22:52:50 GMT
Want one!
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Post by Charlie Hall on Aug 27, 2009 0:02:29 GMT
I had no direct input with this unit, only via Dave Robbo, and I think I remember discussing it with Alan Jackson as well. So I don't have any idea how anything I said will have been interpreted, if at all.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2009 1:30:45 GMT
HI ALL I saw this unit some time back whilst looking for a schematic on the MK3 copi=cat tape [solid-state] unit I had here to repair for a friend of mine, ... It will be a digital unit & it look's good ,I do not know if it is ''programable'' or only modifiable to the exsisting program's initially installed,but I would guess if ''dave-robbo'' gave some recomendation's as to the alteration's needed for ''that-sound'' the maker's may come up with the good's?  ?,& then if it get's produced in asia!!! the price may be OK as well.. And as ''PIET has said in another thread here ''TIME"S ARE A'CHAINGING'' BUT my times are ''NOT"" A'CHAINGIN'',, as to the ''digital-world'' I get lost up there with all those 1's&0's floating around ,I have taken 4 year's to arrive at my Q2-79-09[which is great] & to spend more money for me is out of the question.. And it still amazes me after all those year's since that-shad's sound that the goal still persist's for so many,WE ''NOW'' all know what gear created that elusive sound but what's missing I feel is a set of hank's hand's  !!!!! in us all ...  I have heard so many tunes played by various fellow's on this and other sites who have the sound 99.9% as good as the original recording's if not 101% using various types of unit's , the alesis-unit's, the m/stomp-unit's, the zoom-unit's ,the newer tape unit, the tvs-unit's & the list probably could go on , SO my point is this if those guy's that can get that-sound ,using the various unit's above what's missing really? ?? I have said this before and it to me is so true ''THERE-IS-NO-MAGIC-BULLET- IT's a combination of all the set-up & some get it right & some do not & speaking of myself I know that I may hit some notes that sound spot on , but a complete tune is out of the question , even if you gave me the original shad's gear that was used at the time I would not be able to do it either!!!! Just my outlook on it all .....................cheers ............barry..   |
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Post by sheendigs on Aug 27, 2009 3:44:36 GMT
Hi Barry
Have a look at the PDF file on the site..
It will show you what it can do..memories,presets, heads and everything else...
Sheendigs
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Post by didier on Aug 27, 2009 7:55:35 GMT
The "new" WEM Copicat caused quite a bit of a stir over on the Shadow Music forum a few months back. It had been sent to Dave Robinson for some initial sound checks and trials. The views from the forum members was quite mixed, I remember listening to Dave's sound checks and wasn't totally convinced by the sound. The Copicat Gold may provide all the needed echo patterns, but the problem is the tone. My be using it with a tone processor, such as the PB Box, TVS1 or TVS2 would certainly improve the results.... Didier |
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Post by sheendigs on Aug 28, 2009 11:44:11 GMT
Hi There They answered back..price would be around 875 GBP... Not cheap and I do not know if they will get what they want.  Sheendigs |
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Post by martyn on Sept 1, 2009 16:49:21 GMT
My Magicstomp cost me £160 so I'd have to question whether the new Copycat is at least five times better to be worth more than five times the price . . .
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Post by bluesnote on Sept 5, 2009 15:01:21 GMT
It costs £375 in the site I found. Still a long way from the £38 I paid for one in the sixties  Although I am looking for a good echo unit at the moment, I think I'll find one good enough for me at a much cheaper cost than that one |
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Post by BarryH on Sept 5, 2009 15:56:54 GMT
It costs £375 in the site I found. The article you're looking at is actually dated May 2000, it's over nine years old. The Copicat Gold people on here are talking about is the new one from 2009. Cheers Barry |
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Post by bluesnote on Sept 5, 2009 22:11:43 GMT
Its my age so I'm told I stand corrected. I never noticed the date, and anyway, how can they justify that price for an echo unit Sheez  |
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Post by BarryH on Sept 6, 2009 9:16:11 GMT
How can they justify that price for an echo unit Sheez It's called supply and demand, they know we'll pay it. That plus the fact that there must have been countless hours work put into the project, money Watkins has to recover from somewhere. Charlie can probably give us a clue as to how many hours he's spent over the years developing the EFTP programmes. At around the £800 mark, it's still makes the Copicat Gold a middle priced echo unit and far from being near the cost of some of the others. Cheers Barry |
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Post by graeme on Sept 6, 2009 14:51:49 GMT
How can they justify that price for an echo unit Sheez That plus the fact that there must have been countless hours work put into the project, money Watkins has to recover from somewhere. Exactly! It's very easy for members of a forum, such as this one, to forget they are actually in a minority. If you think about it, most guitar players today (and they are a minority to start with) are primarily looking towards the more distorted sounds, where the type of echo used - if any - can normally be catered for with a simple non-tap delay unit. The number of people, worldwide, looking for clean sounds and tap delays can probably be numbered in the thousands at most. Take out all those who simply can't afford the price, never find out about the device, etc., etc. and WEM's market could well be only a couple of thousand units at best - and that's a generous estimate . |
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Post by sheendigs on Nov 11, 2009 22:37:39 GMT
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Post by grip on Nov 11, 2009 23:21:03 GMT
Hi Sheendigs, Sounds good, but at £975, I don't think its for me Kind regards, grip |
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Post by Charlie Hall on Nov 11, 2009 23:49:40 GMT
I'm not too impressed with the way it has been set up for the recordings. Blue Star sounded about the best to me, followed closely by Midnight. Wonderful Land and Atlantis sounded one dimensional, Apache sounded like part of the echo was missing, Foot Tapper had no feedback, it sounded awful.
I think it is probably capable of better results than this.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2009 23:50:18 GMT
HI SHEENDIGS,,,, I had a listen to TWO of the tune's on the site ..atlantis first & them W/full-land & wonderfull-land is very good [atlantis? ?]!![dave robbo-can play].. It will sell though I am sure but not to me at this time[money] .. CHEERS BARRY.. |
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Post by sheendigs on Nov 12, 2009 0:43:46 GMT
Hi Guys Obviously the person playing was not too in depth searcher for the right sound..I am sure some good sound can be achieved with all those echo head simulation..If Charlie had one in his hands... Yep!The price is a little bit inflated and out of this world!  Sheendigs |
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Post by rjdupe on Nov 12, 2009 12:44:23 GMT
Hi all,
Takes me back when I had an early copycat, I think it cost around £35 !. Looking back on it I doubt whether I be very happy with the sound now, I knew they used to distort like mad especially if the input level was too high.
With regard to the new one, I have listened to the sound demos on the site and I think that many of the posts made by members here sound better or at least as good using Quadraverbs, zooms and Magicstomps. I personally think it hard to justify nearly £1000 unless money is no object and of course some folks like to collect these echo units.
All the best,
Robert
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Post by BradC on Nov 12, 2009 14:03:44 GMT
I guess the biggest difference at the moment is the Copicat is a current model in production.
There is an awful lot of R&D outlay in producing one of these boxes for a relatively limited market. Pricing is pure economics.
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Post by BarryH on Nov 12, 2009 14:17:29 GMT
"Hi Guys
Obviously the person playing was not too in depth searcher for the right sound..I am sure some good sound can be achieved with all those echo head simulation..If Charlie had one in his hands..."
Sheendigs, I can't really understand what your post means, are you saying the demos are no good?
Cheers
Barry
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Post by sheendigs on Nov 13, 2009 0:21:50 GMT
Hi Barry Explaining a bit more: The player must have chosen any one of the presets for each song, without considering if that particular echo was adquate for the tune. If you go and see their list for the type of emulation they can generate for Meazzi and other echoes, I am sure some of them will be spot on.  Last item referring to Charlie, I am sure that if he had one of those in his hands..he would tell us which one is good for each tune, the shadow fans love to play. Sheendigs |
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Post by Charlie Hall on Nov 13, 2009 0:36:39 GMT
Hi Sheendigs,
Trying to be kind to this unit, I think it may have been the opposite, a recommended patch was probably selected for a tune as you assumed, and then tweaked (when it may not have been necessary). If this was the case it means that the demos in most cases are not really valid for demonstrating what the unit is pre-programmed to sound like.
If I am wrong, then I do not think I will be very impressed with the unit.
I could of course have chosen an alternative angle and said they sounded fine, but I would do so at the risk of not being trusted to produce more accurate sounds, which I believe I have done.
Brad,
As far as I know, the Zoom G2, G7.1ut, and G9.2tt are still in current production.
Regards,
Charlie
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