Pirated Copies of EFTP

[AussieCherokeeOne]

Hi CharlieI am a new meber and found your great site after buying a Quad+ with eftp from the UK i was worries after seeing your posting on Pirated copies and checked mine.Well as i thought it has no serial number.You also mentiond a seller called
patrick150386 ,Well that is who i bought mine from.I have been checking his listings every day since then and he only had one listing of a Q20 listed as being programable with EFTP but since then i have found a Quad+ and a Zoom both with EFTP listed in his the well known auction site shop thismorning Aust time.
Best Regards Bill

[Charlie Hall]

Hi Bill,
Thanks. I haven't looked at his feedback lately but I bet he doesn't get any bad ones. That is the problem, if his customers only knew.
Regards,
Charlie

[ianrigby]

Hi Charlie,
I have a Zoom 508 for sale on the well known auction site. It is programmed with shadows echo's, as stated. But not yours as far as I am aware. I was contacted by Patrick yesterday, as were the other sellers on the well known auction site. Having read this thread I thought I would play along and see what happened. He wanted a buy it now, so I quoted £90, more than I expect to get. He said OK. I thought I would be cute and requested his email address to deal outside and avoid the charges, the email duely arrived, but appears not to exist: So it looks like he is playing the rules not to be thrown off the well known auction site. As I am new to this site, although we have communicated before. What is happening? Is he copeying your EFTP, or selling the other echo's as EFTP.

Best regards Ian.

[peterbower]

Hi Charlie
I think you know who intially programed the Zoom 508!!!!

Peter

[ianrigby]

Just went through the the well known auction site system, but there is nothing I can report him for other than spam email. He did not buy and sell on this unit, and he supplied a none working email address so he did not trade outside of the well known auction site. He's no mug, he knows how to play the game.

Ian

[Charlie Hall]

Hi Ian,
The plot thickens. That is bizzarre, I don't know how an email can arrive and then not exist, unless it is possible to open an email account and then close it.
Peter, you mean Shadowsland echoes by Geoff Strachan.
Regards,
Charlie

[mike7559]

Hi all.
Just goes to prove how valuable this site is for us all.
I nearly fell into the particular the well known auction site Sellers open arms and buy one of his units..Thankfully a friend told me about this site..I joined, learned about the doubts about the person and bought my QV Plus from another the well known auction site seller..Prior to the purchase , I contacted Charlie and he immediately vouched for the seller and unit which I now own and am delighted with. An Honest the well known auction site seller would advise you to do as I did and contact Charlie for authentication..My Seller Did..

Regards.
Mike

[BradC]

Dec 12, 2009 14:24:11 GMT Charlie Hall said:

Hi Ian,
The plot thickens. That is bizzarre, I don't know how an email can arrive and then not exist, unless it is possible to open an email account and then close it.

Easy.. very easy to send an E-mail from any address you like. As long as the destination address exists (how it routes to you) there is no verification of the source address. E-mail is incredibly easy to forge and not at all reliable or secure.

[Charlie Hall]

Hi Brad,
Not that I want to, but if it's easy, can you tell me how it is done please, preferably by PM? I use Outlook Express and have only one email address that I use, and a hotmail email address that I haven't used for years.
Regards,
Charlie

[spikestevens]

I'll be looking for either a Quad or a Yamaha MS in the new year, and I've seen this Patrick chap advertising stuff on the net. I don't know what the situation is with him, is he selling illegal goods or something? The reason I ask is because I was tempted by one of the QuadPlus units he's got, but I'm staying well away if there's anything slightly dodgy about him.

I'd rather bide my time and be sure everything is above-board before I spend any money - particularly at this time of year.


So, what is the deal with this character? Is he using Charlie's EFTP stuff withour permission, or something?

You'll have to forgive me, chaps. but I'm not really up on what's happening because I'm a newbie.

[asimmd]

Well, I'm not exactly new but I don't know what's going on either.

I will also be looking to upgrade my echo unit in the new year so any tips
on who and what to avoid would be welcome.

Come on Charlie,put us straight.

Alan

[jastreet]

Dec 14, 2009 4:06:34 GMT Charlie Hall said:

Hi Brad,
Not that I want to, but if it's easy, can you tell me how it is done please, preferably by PM? I use Outlook Express and have only one email address that I use, and a hotmail email address that I haven't used for years.
Regards,
Charlie

Hi Charlie,

If you have not logged into Hotmail for that length of time, you might find that your Hotmail address has been deactivated. That happened to me, but it was simple to set up a new one.

Regards,

James

[Charlie Hall]

Hi Spike and Alan,
I have had a few people tell me the serial number of units bought from Patrick and have not had my genuine programs installed. Others from him have had the serial number removed. My advice is to stay clear because not one of his units will have any back up from me.
One good seller on the well known auction site at the moment is sanddance0191.
Hi James,
I originally set up a hotmail email address purely to use the msn sites which are no longer. I have no use for an internet based email now, preferring to keep all my emails in one place.
Regards,
Charlie

[alandjackson]

Hello Charlie,

As you know my brother paid £130 for one of his Zoom G2s with E.F.T.P. and a disc which should contain some TABs, backing tracks and a patch list for Hank/Shads tunes. No patches were found on the disc and so he is reporting the seller to the well known auction site to complain.

Alan J.

[alandjackson]

Hello Charlie,

I meant no patch 'list' was on the disc. Sorry!

Alan

[Charlie Hall]

Hi Alan,
Thanks for that. My conditions do state that the patches and all other files should be supplied to the next owner. Still, how many pirates are going to bother to comply with that or indeed any conditions.
Regards,
Charlie

[kenny]

You guys take care i have fallen into the same trap buying the alesis with eftp on. Ieven emaied the guy who assured me it was the real genuine eftp but it it wasnt. So now i have two quadraverb plus but still no eftp. If i can find the e mail from him i will post it on here. So the moral is BEWARE OF FAKES

[rjdupe]

Hi there,
It is an easy trap to fall into, I have been there myself. I have now bought the genuine EFTP patches from Charlie. If you wished you could re-load the units you have with the genuine patches bought from Charlie. If you have the genuine patches you can always rely on Charlie for help and back up. There are a number of sellers on e-bay who are only selling pirate copies. Genuine sellers usually state the serial number which then can be checked from Charlie's master list.

All the best,

Robert

[trigger]

Hi
That geazer on the well known auction site who is selling them like the're going out of fashion with pirate EFTP is also
pushing up the price of units which without the genuine eftp are not worth as much.
If you look at
Item number: 200425012907
although they are hidden you can still see his red star power seller ....yes that's him. He will fall into that big hole he's digging just watch.
Trig

[trigger]

He also won this item recently (Item number: 180453496122) look in the pics SERIAL Number...QV1058419 can be seen .
I bet that serial number doesn't stay on the unit when it's sold as an EFTP UNIT.
Trig

[Charlie Hall]

The honest seller on the well known auction site, sanddance0191, has just let me know that there will be a change to a new user name on the well known auction site.
The new name will be shads_eftp.
Probably a good move to be one up on Patrick.
Regards,
Charlie

[sixchannel]

and what about London Vibes -
cgi.the well known auction site.co.uk/ALESIS-QUADRAVERB-CHARLIE-HALLS-ECHOES-FROM-THE-PAST_W0QQitemZ120516252452QQcategoryZ23790QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BIEW%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D10%26ps%3D63
Boy is that cheap!! - and probably a Fake too. Cant he be got at through the well known auction site for selling Charlie Hall echoes that are probably not genuine.
cheers
ian

[Charlie Hall]

Hi Ian,
Not another one I hope.
My programs cost £50 and a secondhand QV is worth maybe around £100 so it is a bit more expensive. The pirates always tend to look for high prices.
He hasn't bought a Quadraverb off the well known auction site in the last 90 days so who knows?
Regards,
Charlie

[kenny]

HEY YOU GUYS I HAVE EMAILED THE SELLER OF THE ALESIS Q VERB ON the well known auction site
AND THE REPLY WAS THE PERSON I GOT IT FROM TOLD IT IS THE EFTP BULLSHIT
WHEN I SENT ANOTHER MESSAGE NO REPLY <><> ITS A DUFFER <><> FOR SURE
theres about 3 quadraverbs on at the momment read the small print all a bit iffy.

[kenny]

SORRY FORGOT TO ADD I PUT MY ROLAND RE20 ON the well known auction site AND WHO SHOULD EMAIL ME TO BUY
IT CASH NOW ,YES PATRICK, SO THOUGHT AH, I WILL GET HER THAT MOANS (bless) TO LIST IT FROM ANOTHER AREA AND SURE ENOUGH GESS WHO AND WHAT AN EMAIL TO SELL NOW SO BUYERS $$$$ BEWARE$$$$$

[kenny]

Stephen no offence meant, i should have said 99% are iffy.If you check out the well known auction site theres at least 7.or 8 on claiming to have the real eftp on. Yours is the only one with a number.I emailed
london vibes earlier this week asking if this was the genuine Charlie hall EFTP reply was not sure, Tonight its on saying with charlie halls echos from the past ,rather strange.I have now got mrs to ask is it genuine and shes awaiting a reply. Also that ? patrick has got alesis with
eftp on Dogy or what <><> SO WARNING TO ALL YOU GOOD MUSIC MAKERS <><>BEWARE or be HAD<><><> Dont do what i did waste your time and money Kenny

[Graylion]

Q. For Charlie:- I've asked the the well known auction site seller of a Quad Plus how he knows his is an EFTP version by asking him the serial number. He says he can't find one but his "friend" assured him it's a genuine installation! Where should he find the number and, if I give it to you, will you be able to confirm it's genuine or otherwise? Cheers, Lionel

[Charlie Hall]

Hi Lionel,
I did not take serial numbers of many Quad Plus units that I programmed earlier on. The serial number should be on the base of the unit, probably on a bar coded label. A Quad Plus serial numver starts QV and then 7 digits. If there is a serial number and it is on my list, then it would be genuine. If there is a serial number and not on my list then I would not be able to verify at all unless I know who originally had it programmed, when I might be able to identify it that way, unless the person is known to have handed out pirated copies.
If there is no serial number it would have been removed deliberately.
Regards,
Charlie

[tandy]

Hi all and especially to Charlie...

I am brand new to the forum and it is Patrick150386 that led me to your forum, indirectly of course.

I am an avid Shadows fan, I play a little and have just rejoined a band I once played with, back in 1963 over 45 years ago. Obviously The Shadows then were extremely popular and they still are part of our repertoire.

I own a G7.1UT and have given this unit my best shot in programming some the Shadows patches into it and they are reasonable (I think). However, I keep seeing units on sale on the well known auction site already pre-programmed with ‘The Shadows EFTP’ and would dearly love to have these patches in my G7. I decided to contact Patrick150386 to see if he could sell me the disk with the patches, but in an email exchange he offered to part-exchange my Zoom unit for one pre-programmed and advised there was no CD to purchase. I therefore assumed these units he was selling had been pre-programmed by the author.

Be aware I have not seen any message that quotes EFTP by Charlie Hall from this supplier. However on further investigation I did see a G7 unit that had been sold in the past with Charlie Hall’s name against the patches within the unit.

This led me to Google Charlie Hall, et voila - I found your site.

Sooooo….

I am now aware of pirated copies of EFTP and have found the correct site, things are improving. Hopefully I can now purchase the genuine patches, but unsure if they come in the form of a CD and how payment is made?

Q. Charlie: How do I get in touch and purchase the patches. When installed, do they automatically write over patches in the user programmable memory?

Guys thanks for reading and I look forward to being with you for some time to come.

Regards, Tandy

[spenspuma]

Just out of interest - What patent does Charlie have with his programmed tones. It just you hear a lot about 'pirated copies' of Shadows tones but if there is no official copywrite then i guess in a court of law there is nothing to say a person has done any wrong legally by using the EFTP tones, slightly adjusting them and the selling the unit on as long as they dont say it was programmed by Charlie Hall, which would obviously be illegal??

Just wondered really....cos its an interesting thread.