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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2009 23:46:43 GMT
HI CHARLIE,I heard a whisper that ''THE-BAND-''ROCK_ISLAND_REBEL"S.. are taking to the road in style installing a micro-wave oven for snack's in a van !!! What van have you chosen  ? .. NOW charlie be truthfull about the micro-wave ,It's really the secret to you great sounding guitar riff's ,micro-waving your string,s prior to a ''GIG'' HA.HAAR ;D ;D.. Seriously a great idea to save on take-away's & possibly heathier too,will you have a 12volt fridge? ,& coffee-making facility?? YOU must have a reasonable ''inverter'' & will draw a good current from the battery whilst stationary .. DID you guy's consider one of those cheap camping gas-stoves as well ?? One thing it may also be helfull with is when pulled-over for speeding you may get off by offerinig the officer a ''CUPPA''  CHEERS ................barry.. |
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Post by Charlie Hall on Oct 28, 2009 0:14:07 GMT
Hi Barry,
The title of your post is a strange coincidence. My son gave me one of his mobile phones recently and have just got it connected to the internet today. Of course I tried accessing this site and saw that my microwave avatar as well as the other avatars are very large relative to the screen size.
Not sure where I mentioned it now, but it's right, we are kitting out a van that Mark bought a few months ago and is doing it up with our help. It needed something doing with the camshaft and retiming, new valves, he has gas flowed the head, it's a diesel Vauxhall hi top, not sure of the model name but it's actually a rebadged Renault. It now has 3 sets behind the drivers and passenger seats, the partition has been moved further back to make room for the extra seats, and the microwave will be on a shelf formed by the false ceiling above the drivers and passenger seats. There will be a secondary battery next to it that will be connected to the main charging circuit by a switched relay. What we are not sure about is the size of inverter needed, the microwave is about 800 watts but it's the switch on surge current we have been told to watch, I think it's about 3 times or more current, so say 800 X 3 = 2400 watts / 12 volts = 200 amps by that calculation. Would appreciate any advice from those who are experienced with such things.
We just want something to warm up cold pies etc while on the move, it will save time and money.
I don't think we will go as far as a kettle but you never know. One of my best mates, not a musician, said he used to take a flask to bed with him so he had a cup of tea in bed in the morning!
We have fitted carpeting to the rear section which is still very large, the floor and wheel arches and sides and partition are completely covered. Mark started the engine while I was in the back and I could hardly hear a thing! Still have to put more carpet in the passenger area, including a false wooden roof in that area that needs covering for safety. Most of the wiring is now done but there is still an alarm system to fit too.
Should have it on the road by December.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by bill on Oct 28, 2009 7:48:32 GMT
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Post by grip on Oct 28, 2009 8:19:30 GMT
Hi Barry, It needed something doing with the camshaft and retiming, new valves, he has gas flowed the head, it's a diesel Vauxhall hi top, not sure of the model name but it's actually a rebadged Renault. It now has 3 sets behind the drivers and passenger seats, the partition has been moved further back to make room for the extra seats, and the microwave will be on a shelf formed by the false ceiling above the drivers and passenger seats. We have fitted carpeting to the rear section which is still very large, the floor and wheel arches and sides and partition are completely covered. Mark started the engine while I was in the back and I could hardly hear a thing! Still have to put more carpet in the passenger area, including a false wooden roof in that area that needs covering for safety. Most of the wiring is now done but there is still an alarm system to fit too. Should have it on the road by December. Regards, Charlie No effort is spared in trying to save weight, the cup holders are made of Balsa wood, and hangs on aluminum screws between the Marble Columns just at the side of the jacuzzi in the Hardwood Clad Great Hall. ;D ;D ;D Kind regards grip |
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Post by solidlg on Oct 28, 2009 13:02:55 GMT
OK Charlie,
This definitely deserves photo's mate, and of course it wont be complete without one with all faces peeking out the back window.
Oh yes, I do trust that you will apply the lipstick comments to the exterior so the 60's are properly represented :-)
All the best
Steve
Troonto
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2009 13:26:17 GMT
HI CHARLIE what a great project you guy's are doing & mark as well as an ''ace-singer'' must be a good mechanic to boot ''goodonya-mark'' Charlie with the micro-wave ,I have a 800watt unit in the house here & it draw's 1200watts &240v ,,,surge? . I will find-out , but saying that the usual inverter's also have a good surge rating ,say a 1500watt unit [jaycar] has a surge rating of 3500watts but the price is a shocking $525.00 oz .. a lot of pie's??? ,,A starter motor draw's about 200amp's ... As you may know I have a self fitted-out toyota-coaster bus & have it independant of mains power only 12volt ,I do have 2x large batteries & a solar-panel for extended stop's ,but do not like inverters as you lose efficiency 10-20% ...& for cooking etc I use LP-gas ..
However ,there is a dedicated micro-wave-oven- ''12volt'' [a lot of truckie's [lorry-driver's in your term],,,use them the price???, ''waeco'' is the brand ,a world-wide-company, that sell also 12volt 1-litre electric-kettles ,but there main sales are the 12v-car refrigerators,, check-out the price-charlie as an inverter will cost a lot on it's own without the oven..!!!!!!!!
''A JOKE COMING''- CHARLIE,, how well do you know ''MARK-KNOFFLER'' as HE INSTALLS MICRO-WAVE-OVEN;s HA.HAAAR.. ;D ;D
OF course gas stoves whilst mobile are not an option [safety] unless stationary.. but those little portable ,self-lighting unit's that all camping places sell are great little stoves @ only $20-25.00 OZ & the little disposable gas can's are also only about $2.00 ea.& last for a 1.1/2 hour's or so & they make all sort's of pan's etc to suit,worth-a-look.., there is also a mini-oven unit ,maybe a visit to a good camping-shop-is-in-order!!!!!
THE exhaust is a good option [free-heat] but would require some difficult work [some traveller's use the exhaust for water-heating & it works well with a heat-exchanger& tank!!,the difficulty is the exhaust vibration is seperate to the van body& flexable by-pass pipes are required ...it could be done !!
ALL THE BEST WITH the out-fitting a really great project & practical as well ,cheers barry..  
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2009 13:39:31 GMT
PS,,,,, CHARLIE,, the micro-wave that i mentioned is distributed by waeco but is in fact A ''SAMSUNG'' brand & they are made in 12volt & 24volt ,,check them-out? !!!!! CHEERS MATE.............barry.. |
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Post by Charlie Hall on Oct 28, 2009 13:40:07 GMT
Hi Barry, Bill, grip, and Steve,
Thanks for the suggestions. I knew I could count on you grip for your input.
We will have to do some thinking, the price of an inverter certainly has to be considered against a 12 volt microwave.
Will try to take some pics nearer completion.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2009 13:53:28 GMT
HI YET-AGAIN -the price in ''OZ'' is $750.00 ''WHOOOOOO'' A DAM LOT OF PIE'S & BURGER"S... WHAT ABOUT COLD BAKE_BEANS-SANDWICHES? .you would need the window's down to clear the air but it would fill the tummy!!! THERE MUST BE A BETTER WAY ,, COMEON ALL member's suggestion's ''NEEDED'' CHEERS .........barry.. |
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Post by Charlie Hall on Oct 28, 2009 14:00:55 GMT
Hi Barry,
The gas from the beans would surely be recyclable. The next lot could be served hot. This must be defying the rule that perpetual motion isn't possible.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by grip on Oct 28, 2009 16:55:49 GMT
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Post by John Haldane on Oct 28, 2009 18:23:26 GMT
Whats wrong with the good old Bedford Doormobile then, some members may wonder what I am talking about, but our,s never broke down, and the only seats were in the front.
Take care
John H
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Post by Charlie Hall on Oct 28, 2009 19:51:15 GMT
Hi grip,
I had a look, although we would need to run an 800 watt microwave, and read that it uses a modified sinewave, whatever that means. Looking at questions and answers on the same page, it isn't suitable for inductive loads, now I don't know if a microwave would be an inductive load.
Hi John,
We had a Bedford van, I think it was the CA with a 1500cc engine. The body was a bit weak for rusting like most Vauxhalls were, but great engine. The sliding doors could have been dangerous, glad they aren't made like that now.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by solidlg on Oct 28, 2009 20:00:59 GMT
Oh yes the Bedford Doormobile,
Our replacement for the Thames Van, and the battery kept losing its charge causing us to push it uphill near my old house in Heston, then running like crazy downhill, jumping in and throwing it in second causing the sliding door to thrust forward with an enormous clang, leaving you to look through a windshield that was in fact covered with ice....no vision at all, yes my next door neighbor was not amused when I connected with his Austin 7, cost my dad a black and decker 2 speed drill to cover the repair cost :-(
We installed a mattress behind the seats, came in useful at times, especially when you tired coming home from a gig, yeah I know your minds were elsewhere.
Steve
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Post by Charlie Hall on Oct 28, 2009 20:32:18 GMT
Hi Steve,
Would be a bit difficult with a mattress these days, I mean how would you wear a seat belt??!!
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by John Haldane on Oct 28, 2009 21:05:05 GMT
Hi Steve
Aagh the good old days, funny how you can remember that far back, but have trouble even remembering what day it is ;D ;D ;D
Take care
John H
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2009 1:02:29 GMT
HI CHARLIE -- A modified sine-wave type is ok for a micro-wave ,it is nessasary to have true -sine wave for delicate things .. the true sine wave type replicate the 50cycle mains power ,& the unmodified type is more a square wave ,but is fine to use on resistive-loads including the micro-wave... ..
CHEERS ......barry..
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Post by Charlie Hall on Oct 29, 2009 1:33:53 GMT
Thanks Barry,
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by bill on Oct 29, 2009 12:44:04 GMT
THE exhaust is a good option [free-heat] but would require some difficult work [some traveller's use the exhaust for water-heating & it works well with a heat-exchanger& tank!!,the difficulty is the exhaust vibration is seperate to the van body& flexable by-pass pipes are required ...it could be done !! ALL THE BEST WITH the out-fitting a really great project & practical as well ,cheers barry.. G'day Barry, You're mentioning the exhaust reminded me a mate makes up bacon rolls (bacon in a bread roll) and wraps them in foil (nearly wrote 'tin foil' then! It's aluminium of course.) Then when he stops for a break he puts the rolls on the engine manifold - hot bacon rolls in a couple of minutes. |
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Post by solidlg on Oct 29, 2009 13:15:14 GMT
Hi Charlie,
Yes I guess today's laws make such a modification difficult, I guess you could try and airline cargo net, it's rated at 9 g's, the MOT would find it hard to get a seat belt that strong :-)
Steve
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Post by bill on Oct 29, 2009 21:40:41 GMT
We have fitted carpeting to the rear section <snip> Regards, Charlie So, is it a Fiesta Red carpet? |
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Post by Charlie Hall on Oct 30, 2009 23:04:51 GMT
Hi Steve,
Net, the mind boggles!
Hi Bill,
No, it's blue, it was used, so free, and is there only for the purpose of protecting the gear.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2009 2:39:26 GMT
HI ALL ,,, ''THE-SIN-BIN'' sorry I meant the band transport VAN!!!we have dirty-mind's!!sorry-guy's last thought in ' your' mind's? ... charlie you may [for cost-reasons] have to go back to basic's & use a resitive nichrome wire element grafted into an old micro-wave oven? ? direct 12volt connection , & or a insulated cooler box- with a lock-down-lid!!!![esky-as named in OZ] & coil a quite few feet of 3/4'' copper tubing around inside said box & connect to the water system [as your van heater does & fit a quite high-temp thermosat to the cooling system & would cost [nil] to opperate you would need to add pie's etc agood while prior to eating them? [ a hot-box- would result]temp about 92 or so deg..[have you a plummer in the ''band'' .. BILL3 yes mate I have done this working with farm-tractors at night ,but not to leave too long otherwise a black lump!!!!!!... WE'LL get you a hot meal come hook or crook!!!!!keep the IDEA'S coming guy's! CHEERS ALL............barry.. |
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Post by Charlie Hall on Oct 31, 2009 21:49:25 GMT
Hi Barry,
I'm lost with your explanation about a nichrome rod, how does that work?
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2009 22:33:22 GMT
HI CHARLIE ,, Nichrome wire is what all heating element's are made from [resistive wire] as used in wire-wound resistor's & wire-wound pot's!! I am not sure quite the best way to do it just what guage & length would be needed , but it is wound around ceramic insulater, & of course must not touch any earth points, they do make a 12volt hair-drier [very small & only small amount of heat] .. It could be aranged in a square on suitible insulater & mounted as a house oven at the bottom of an old ice-box cooler [esky] ... THERE is also the ''peltier-devices'' so-called cooler-warmer's unit's quite cheap to buy ,you could build your own unit ..& or buy a couple of unit's,, [they are a solid state device using a heat-sink !!!] None of these mentioned option's are as quick as a micro-wave,but would heat never the less!!!, If you are using a spare extra battery you could leave then running whilst stationary,,, CHECK-OUT-the-''PELTIER'' DEVICES !!!!! I will find-out more about them & get back!! CHEERS ALL................barry..[PS] look at this link ,,& then google peltier warming devices [modules] ,you can buy the modules & fit to your own insulated box!!!! cgi.the well known auction site.com.au/New-Car-Fridge-Cooler-Warmer-18L-12v-24v-240v_W0QQitemZ190344406631QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Car_Parts_Accessories?hash=item2c51692667 .... THESE could be worth a look as well www.electronickits.com/kit/complete/peltier/ck501.htm ANOTHER....... www.electronickits.com/kit/complete/peltier/ck0502_Peltier_Cooling_Assembly.htm ... [PS] I found this different type look's good .. not peltier maybe element type ? a couple of these may be the go???..... www.baproducts.com/asccustompages/products.asp?ProductID=3 ''GOOD-LUCK'' you ''REBEL"S !!! ;D ;D |
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Post by Charlie Hall on Nov 2, 2009 23:26:47 GMT
Hi Barry,
Thanks for the additional info and links. I have a feeling though that if I suggest any of these ideas to the others it will be left up to me to sort it all out and I really don't have the time.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2009 0:01:19 GMT
HI CHARLIE & THE REBEL"S,, THAT LAST ''LINK'' is a dedicated oven ,that to me is your best cheapest option the price is cheap & the temperature is high & a direct 12volt connection !!!!! If you could locate them in the ''UK'' it would be even better as I think it was in the ''US'' THOSE little oven unit are just plug-in & go!!!! no extra work involved .. a fraction of the cost of inverter's etc,etc,,.......I had not seen them before'' this'' time...,, I can tell your ''TIME'' is an issue as well as running this site replying to all messages etc,etc as well as all your personal work & commitments ,,I don't know how you actully ''COPE'' ,it's no-wonder you wear -off-the-keyboard -figures!!!!!! ... ''COULD-you pass that link to another band member to investigate that 12volt oven!!! CHEERS MATE & DO try to take it a bit easy,we don't want you busting your boiler ....barry... |
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Post by bill on Nov 3, 2009 7:22:55 GMT
Hi Charlie, Following Barry's find, all the 12V options seem to be available from this one page - www.outdoorgb.com/c/12v_kettles_cookers/and I have bought outdoor clothing from that UK company without any bother. The only problem there is they don't give enough information e.g. the physical size of the cooker. On the other hand it does give guidance on how long it'll take to heat up a portion of food. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2009 12:17:17 GMT
HI BILL 3 ... You have found the same oven in the UK bill that's great-stuff!!!! ,I feel shure this is the bit of gear needed only 12amp's draw after initial warm-up turn it on prior to leaving for the ''GIG'' leave it on whilst gigging ,eat the hot goodies [my-mouth-is-watering-now] ,put on the 12volt kettle & have a cuppa [after the beer's etc] on the way home ,they will be a hungry lot after loading up the gear so I feel they will need 2 of them!!!!... With the extra battery would be no-worries as 25 amp is no more than the head-lights,.... NOW bill I still owe you a couple beer's [at the boob-pub!!!] do you think if you run across the rebel's van they would share a meat-pie with-you!!!! WHAT'S more ''chuck'' could program-the-oven's to come on at a set time .HA.HAAR.. All in all I feel this would be better,cheaper ,than an inverter ,&the pies would not be soft & doughy as they are after micro-waving & simple to set-up in the van!! problem-solved? ? ''We'll-SEE'',, you never know bill this may start a ''REBEL'S hot food-vending VAN..HA.HAAAR.. Can charlie ''COOK''!! ''GOODONYA-BILL ''HEEEYYYYY" bill maybe they need a ''ROADIE'' you would get free tucker & a cuppa!!!!! CHEERS-MATE ,.................barry.. |
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