Anyone Here Use A TVS?

[asimmd]

Hi Guys

After listening to the version of Apache posted by Spike, I was wondering if anyone on this site had a TVS?

I am tired of listening to all sorts of wonderful must have pieces of kit,from pickups to echoes,only to find that when someone actually buys the item,it does a lot less then expected.

Thanks

Alan

[tonybiker]

Hi Alan.

There is a post somewhere that has the TVS verses (if I remember correctly) the Q20 using the same gear. Hundreds of thousands of pounds have been spent trying to emulate the sound, myself included. The sound files that members post prove that you can excellent results without the need to duplicate what gear HM used or uses. What suits one member may not suit another.

[fenderplucker]

Hi Alan,

See Tony Palmer's comments in the Apach thread on the Shadow Music site for one such response.

Regards,

Paul.

[Deleted]

Hi Alan,
I think Paul might mean me, he has my surname mixed up. I just responded in context to some responses by others about Gary Taylor's "Apache" so I've copied and pasted it. QUOTE;

I am not one of the big-guns on anorack-sound but do own a TVS3. I use it with a GA15 Harley Benton which has been modified with Power Scaling and Pentode/Triad mode 3 band EQ function making it really a Class 'A' amp so please don't dismiss it because its not a VOX. With the short time I've had the TVS3 I have attempted re-creating the guitar sound on the demo's on the TVS site which I seem to be able to achieve fairly easily just by EQ'ing the amp and using the very useful 'CUT' mode on the TVS3. I have also been able to re-create a lot of the original Shadows recordings and of course I am only referring to the characteristic of the lead guitar sound on these.
Just my opinion but I believe the TVS3 has that original characteristic ingredient that's necessary, especially the fact that even I can get close which is why I bought it in the first place plus just wanting a quality echo box for anthing else I might want to play.The Meazzi Emulation is quite interesting with its different levels of dirt and tone thats available and to me if you can come up with the correct EQ curve and probably the Vox tone the elusive 'APACHE' is achievable. I think this recording is cracking example of its replication notwithstanding the missing colour of the Abbey Road equipment. Obviously opinions will differ but I don't think anyone can deny that its mighty close and well done to Gary and the team.
Regards Tony parnham

[fenderplucker]

Ho Tony,

Sorry about my "senior's moment" with your surname, my apologies!!

Best Regards,

paul.

[Tone]

Hi Alan

I have a TVS3 and I can tell you that Tony's comments are spot on. As he says the magic ingredient is the Meazzi simulation.

I'd add that it isn't just the amp settings you have to be prepared to fiddle with - you have to tweak the TVS controls as well. Although there are preset patches as per the Q2 etc, you need to adjust the parameters to suit your guitar, playing style and room ambience but if you're prepared to spend time experimenting you can get very, very close to those original recordings, particularly the vintage ones.

Of course, whether the TVS is worth the eye watering price is entirely subjective!

Cheers.

Tony

[asimmd]

Hi Tony,and all,

Many thanks for the comments which I think answer my questions.

If I was a working musician,I would think seriously about trying a TVS,but as I am a lowly bedroom musician now,I think I will have to pass.

Just in case anyone thought I was less than happy with Charlies Patches,let me say right now that if it hadn't been for Charlie and the EFTP programming,I would not be playing at all now so thanks Charlie,your patches make it worth while my continuing to play.

I won't comment on the TVS,I am sure to upset someone,so if you have one,good luck to you,I think they have gone the way of the Oasis £5000 Hank guitar,we never hear of anyone playing that now.

Alan

[Deleted]

Hi Alan,
I think we are all very happy with Charlie's patches I have great admiration for his wizardry and still have EFTP units.
I obviously don't know what you may mean about upsetting someone but I would answer any question posed on this subject however usually people may say or think 'what possessed you to pay all that money for an echo box' but that would'nt upset me at all I'm very happy to answer.
Allthough I don't have the £5000 50th Anniversary myself the reason why you hav'nt heard much is probably the fact that it's the ultimate Shadows guitar so no more reason to search for anything else and they're probably absolutely thrilled with it.
Regards Tony

[apachepete]

I have a TVS3 and I love it. Its every thing thats been said and more. I believe it was the first in the UK. Im up here in the North East anybody wants to have a listen just come in person and have a go.

Peter

[zager]

Hi everyone, interesting thread. What sort of price are the TVS3 units.Regards Tony

[Deleted]

Hi Tony,
I have no problem in detailing what I paid for the TVS3 because if anyone was interested they would arrive at a similar figure anyway but all depending on the in exchange rate in position at the time.
The TVS3 was a present for my 65th retirement birthday from a really nice guy........me.
The VAT and the import duties were crippling I have to say and this is what damages the appeal but at the end of the day its a one off payment unlike some other hobbies but the TVS support is brilliant.

First of all the actual payment of the TVS3 was made in two parts and don't forget the figures are subject to the exchange rate on that day;
The first in the form of a deposit on the 9th December 2009 which was £1242.97p plus £20 for the Bank charge.
The second final payment on the device itself was just prior to shipping on 9th March 2010 and came out to £1364.75p plus £20 Bank charge.
It was then received at the main Rotherham depot where they held it whilst sending the import duties which were finalised by customs at £556.69p made up of the following;
£70.63p Import duty
£472.56p VAT
£13.50p Parcelforce clearance Fee.
Add this up and thats what it cost me.
Regards Tony

[asimmd]

Hi All

Many thanks for the replies everyone,I am surprised that there are so many of you who have a TVS,and I thought they were only for the rich and famous.

It would be interesting to know what the cost is,if only to see just why I can't have one,oh and if anyone would care to post a sample of what the TVS sounds like,that would be much appreciated.

Yes,I know I can go onto the TVS website and listen but I would like to hear someone else play something through it.

Many thanks

Alan

[zager]

Hi Tony. you could spend a lot more money and time searching for the sound and still not get near it. If it saves all that hassle and bother and I could afford it I would not hesitate in buying one. Maybe someday. Regards Tony

[Deleted]

Hi Alan,
You say " It would be interesting to see what the cost is". I just posted it just above your reply.
Its nothing to do with rich or famous its a "one off" payment. Do you have a car worth more, do you take holidays year in year out, do pay golf club, football season tickets, gym fees year in year out, do you smoke, do you go for a pint regularly or anything else etc etc?
I DON'T (except a car I should have said), all I did was buy a TVS3 and answer questions about it for the benefit of those who may be interested especially yourself who initiated the thread.
I have posted soundfiles in the past but no Shadows tunes yet with the TVS3, like I say I bought it for the other stuff I do also like this old Gerry and the Pacemakers song. TVS3 on the 'Fying Carpet' Patch no embellishments bit rate 128 no mike straight into computer via Edirol UA-4FX.
www.4shared.com/audio/PCu6XgHO/Walk_Hand_in_Hand.html
Regards Tony

[asimmd]

Hi Tony

I was not being facecious when I said only for the rich and famous,what I meant was.........
oh never mind,I said above my comments would get me in trouble,and it seems they have.

And just to answer the points you make.....My car is Motability - I am too ill to go on holidays - I can't play golf - can't go to football - no gym - I do not smoke - I do not drink,in fact my illness precludes me from doing most things other people consider normal,and I wasn't criticising you buying a TVS.

Thanks you for the cost breakdown,apologies if I upset you,or anyone for that matter.

Alan

[Deleted]

Hi Alan,
Apology not necessary but thank you and I have included a sounfile with explanation on my above edited thread.
Regards Tony

[asimmd]

Hi Tony

Very nice file,thanks for posting it.

I'm going to quit while I am ahead and say night night to this thread,I'll pop back tomorrow.

Alan

[Deleted]

Hi Guys

This is for those that cannot afford the likes of a TVS3.

I would love a TVS 3 but my wife would kill me. I know Spike and I know the amount of work and research that went into the TVS range. For sure its a great if not stunning unit. The price alas is very high. I don't think you will get change if any from £3,000.

Frankly if I where very flush I would get one. Right now I am not flush.

Charlie Hall has done great work and research into EFTP and for the price of a Zoom G2 or G21u plus £15.00 for EFTP patches represents fantastic value and sounds great. The Zoom also simulates the Vox AC30 sound. Charlie includes all of these settings in his patches for the same price.

The TVS3 has a Bass Cut switch.

I use a Beringher EQ700 equalizer (Copy of a Boss GE7) on the front end of my Zoom and reduce the 100 frequency down to minus 6 or 7. Sometime more. This gives a great Bass Cut sound emulating the clear crisp tone of the early Hank vintage sound. Cost of the Beringher, under £25.00 including delivery.

As a backup and alternative I am shortly going for the £50.00 worth of patches for my Quadraverb plus that I bought second hand for £110 12 years ago. You can still pick them up on the well known auction site.

If you can afford a TVS 3 I would say go for it.
Its what Hank B used on the farewell tour.
If not then stick with Charlie's patches and get a superb sound for a small fraction of the cost.

The Zoom G2 1u cost me £107.00 from GAK on-line.
EFTP Patches £15.00
EQ700 Equaliser (for bass cut sound) £24.90

As I said I would love a TVS 3 however I get GREAT comments on how good the above set-up sounds.
Give me a shout if you want a have a listen.

All the best
George

[Deleted]

Hi all
Anyone near to Croydon own a TVS 3 I can come over and try out??
Love to have a go on one
All the best
George

[loujones12]

Hi Tony, first off let me say, what a great sound file you made. very well played and yes the TVS sounds great, and so it should. i was a little taken back by the price!!! if i have the chance i think ill get a fly- return ticket back to Canada and hide it in my case. and maybe still be a little cheaper. and you are quite correct re why you bought it. life is too short, and its realy your only pleasure in life, and good on yah!! maybe you will do a few more sound files for us... Kind Regards Lou.

[SPIKE]

Hi Tony

Well played and great sound!!

Spike

[Deleted]

Hi Tony

Great sound. Great tune!!
reading your comments again has made me rethink my strategy. I don't use the gym anymore I don't drink either. Nor do I play golf. So maybe a TVS3 is not such a foolish idea at all. Maybe a great idea

all the best and good luck with your TVS3

George.

[zager]

Hi Tony, just caught up with your sound file. Excellent sound/Playing. Regards Tony

[Deleted]

Hi Chaps,
Thanks for the comments to Alan, George, Lou, Spike Tony, Tone, Peter and Paul and others.
Kind regards Tony

[pitts]

I came to the conclusion that my wife would probably kill me if I bought a TVS3..
Then after much thinking I came to the conclusion that if HM was using an Alesis Q20 for quite some time until he got the TVS3... then..
Conclusion !!... I searched and found a Q20 got Charlies patches, now its down to me to make that sound as obviously Hank could using the Q20.. therefore if its "missing" something that must be me not the Q20.

Q20's whilst quite old can still be found on the like of E-Bay... I managed to get a good one for about $800.00 US$.... purchased Charlies patches..the sound is amazing.

Now have the Blackstar Artisan 15 amp which gives that really nice vintage sound.

I am quickly running out of excuses..

Cheers

Ray
NZ

Cheers

[stratomaster]

Just echoing ( ;D) Ray's comments, I recently bought a Q20 and Charlie's patches.
It's like those old adverts which always started with "Amaze Your Friends".
Even with my lowly 'Bass player' skills, I get very good comments as to how realistic my Shadows renditions are!
The Alesis Q20 with Charlie's patches, is, pardon the expression, 'The dogs bollocks' in my opinion.
Another point to bear in mind that is that Charlie is creating new user programmes for existing Alesis rack equipment.
If I'm not mistaken, the TVS is a specially constructed rack, therefore would command a premium as regard to price.

It's all down to preference, at my level I can just about get a decent echo effect from my old Mk2 Watkins CopiCat.
However my Q20 with EFTP is probably far too superior for my standard of guitar playing, but I enjoy it immensely and I revel in it's excellence.

If I were a rich and famous guitarist, I would probably go with the latest that was on offer.

.....just my personal opinion.......
James.

[s4wgb]

Jul 10, 2010 22:51:54 GMT pitts said:

I came to the conclusion that my wife would probably kill me if I bought a TVS3..
Then after much thinking I came to the conclusion that if HM was using an Alesis Q20 for quite some time until he got the TVS3... then..
Conclusion !!... I searched and found a Q20 got Charlies patches, now its down to me to make that sound as obviously Hank could using the Q20.. therefore if its "missing" something that must be me not the Q20.

Q20's whilst quite old can still be found on the like of E-Bay... I managed to get a good one for about $800.00 US$.... purchased Charlies patches..the sound is amazing.

Now have the Blackstar Artisan 15 amp which gives that really nice vintage sound.

I am quickly running out of excuses..

Cheers

Ray
NZ

Cheers

Hi Ray.I think i have read on here before that Hanks Q20 echo patches slightly differ to those on the standard ones.I'm sure somone will put me right if i'm wrong.

[Charlie Hall]

Hi Stuart,
The patches Hank used in the Q2 and Q20 were the same sounds as everyone got, except where some of my patches have added reverb, Hank had none, simply because he had made it more than clear to me that he did not use reverb, and some patches were fine tuned for echo level and feedback amount.
Regards,
Charlie

[s4wgb]

Thank you Charlie.

[bazmusicman]

Hi George,

I have a TVS3 you can come and try if you wish. I live in Hillingdon West London where the M25 meets the M40.

Best regards,
Baz.