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Post by dionne on Jul 25, 2010 18:47:54 GMT
hi guys good do with some help on this just bought a 100 watt pa system just for home thougth, its a gear 4 music mpa8000 power amplifier 4 channel , also got zoom g2.1u effects pedal, can i just plug this in to the line input unbalance input or do i mike it from my amp,or do i plug it in tosend output connector and then to return in put, and do i need to just leave the zoom pedal as set with charlies settings or do i have to turn owt of on the pedal ,i have not got a clue on this any help please cheers
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Post by tonybiker on Jul 25, 2010 20:44:53 GMT
Hi Dionne. Just connect your zoom output to the input of the mixer/amp of the PA - channel one. The PA amp should have some form of level knob for each channel. Is this the one in this link? www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/images/B0014Z7PYE/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8&n=340837031&s=musical-instrumentsIf it is, it looks like the 3 knobs in line are high/mid/low EQ, so the red knob would be for the input level. Your only slight issue is you have no indication of how much input is going into each channel. Most have 2 options, one for the input level and the other for how much you want to go to the main mixer, so if you were using with backing tracks you would have to use this button for both input level and overall volume for each channel. On the Zoom, have the volume at no more than say 50%. This should ensure you don't over power the PA. If your using a CD player for backing tracks, then unless it has RCA connectors on the PA? (I can't see them on the photo), then a simple converter will sort that out and you can then use channel 2 for backing tracks. You can get RCA to 1/4 jack converter's via the well known auction site for a few pounds. If the CD player is a normal home type, then you won't have any control over how much level goes to the PA. It won't over-power it, but might reduce how much guitar level you can use to balance the two up. This will be a good starter PA for you. I have noticed that the PA also has an XLR connector (mic lead type) Some effects units come with this option, so you could always connect up that way as well. I think all the Zooms have a single output? If it does have two outputs, Left & Right. You can use both by using two channels on the PA. 100w does not sound loud, but rest assured it will raise the roof in your house! Have fun. Tony
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Post by dionne on Jul 25, 2010 21:28:40 GMT
yep thats the one there is the cd player or md in puts on the back on the front the knobs are for each channel treb ,bass, and delay and volume it has seperate volume for cd ,thanks for that tony
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Post by dionne on Jul 31, 2010 19:36:58 GMT
would i lose the guitar effect sound buy not using the guitar amp /what about using a separate mixer how would that fit in ,
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Post by tonybiker on Jul 31, 2010 22:41:59 GMT
Hi.
You will loose the sound by not using the amp unless the amp has an output for this purpose, this shuts down the amp speaker and sends the signal via an output on the amp to the pa mixer. Failing this, then you may find the Zoom has an amp simulator, but this depends on if it does have one and if so, how it reacts to the programmes you have installed into it. Some good results can get got by just using the Zoom in its current form.
Other options are: To mic up your amp and use that to feed the pa or use a direct box. a direct box again simulates an amp. Something like a Line 6 Pod or a Behringer V Amp 2 (floor mount types) are a better choice and have more options, these have sort of replaced the 'direct box'. You can pick up a Behringer V Amp 2 off the well known auction site for £30. The pod is a bit more expensive but there is little to choose between the two. I use the rack mounted version and there excellent for the job your wanting to do.
Are you looking to use your set-up for small gigs or just for practice at home?
Tony
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Post by dionne on Aug 1, 2010 8:53:49 GMT
its only for home at the mo but ido need to get it right at this stage thanks 4 that tony
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Post by timryland on Aug 1, 2010 17:20:06 GMT
Hi Dionne,
I think that I am probably using a similar set-up to what you want.
Currenly I use a Kustom KPM4080 mixer/amp. This is rated at 80W, and is more than enough for home use.
My signal chain is:- Fender Strat/Burns Marvin into Behringer AB200 Dual A/B switch. This allows me to select both input guitar and output path.
One O/P goes through a Zoom A2 Acoustic Sim, then into the KPM4080 Channel 1.
The other O/P goes through a Boss ME-50, then a Zoom RFX2000 with EFTP and finally a Behringer V-Amp 2. This the goes into Channel 2 on the KPM4080. I decided against using any amp, as I find the V-Amp 2 gives some really nice simulations.
This leaves 2 channels free if needed (mic, acoustic guitar, etc.).
My backing tracks are all on a laptop which is connected to the Tape In on the KPM4080, it also changes my patches on the RFX2000 and V-Amp2 by sending MIDI messages.
I went through various set-ups before deciding on this, and have been pretty happy with this one.
There in even a Record Out on the KPM4080 which I have hooked up to a Tascam DP-004 to do some recording.
Just remember to kep the volume down and you won't be disappointed.
Hope this helps,
Tim.
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Post by dionne on Aug 1, 2010 17:48:43 GMT
how does it change the patches on the zoom i have g2.1u be nice if i could do the same what changes this then,at the mo my zoom goes straight in to the pa or would i be better mic it it off my fender 15 watt what would i use effect send and return for on the back of the pa for
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Post by timryland on Aug 4, 2010 7:45:02 GMT
Dionne,
My system uses MIDI to change the patches, I don't believe that the Zoom unit you are using supports MIDI.
Tim.
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