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Post by brian on Mar 1, 2011 18:36:29 GMT
Hi everone, i am thinking of having my 57/62 usa sunburst strat year 1993 painted in fiesta red, it is in great condition with no dings or scratches whatsoever. can anyone recomend someone who can do a first class job with it and give me a rough cost, i am in wolverhampton.
or am i bonkers to even think about it. brian
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Post by richie on Mar 1, 2011 18:47:43 GMT
i think a good job like this costs about 150 to 200 quid i think unless im wrong
Richie
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Post by peterbower on Mar 1, 2011 18:54:11 GMT
Brian
When you do find some one to paint your Strat, check that they are going to strip off all the old finish first. I would not be happy with a painter just rubbing down the old finish and then spraying on top of it. The paint layers will end up too thick and possibly effect the tone. May be wrong, but that's how I see it.
Peter
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Post by richie on Mar 1, 2011 18:58:15 GMT
yes peter has a good point
Richie
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2011 18:58:37 GMT
Hello Brian, The best refinisher that I know of is located in Southend, Essex. Amongst other clients, he does all the paintwork on Martyn Booth's high-end guitars. I know Martyn and he's VERY, VERY fussy and would only use the best. He's often so busy that he's not able to take on any new work, but he's well worth an email/call.......... www.dm-guitars.co.ukSteven. |
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Post by kipper on Mar 1, 2011 19:33:50 GMT
i would agree with peter if your going to get it done get them to strip it first thats the only way to do it properly. if you dont you will regret it later. !!proper job!!. peter
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Post by Tone on Mar 1, 2011 19:54:54 GMT
I had a Strat re-finished a couple of years ago and that included stripping off the old finish. It was a superb job but, from memory, I think it cost me about £350 - ouch!
The guy concerned is in the south so wouldn't be much good to you, Brian, even if you were prepared to pay that much.
Cheers.
Tony
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Post by andystrat on Mar 1, 2011 20:11:13 GMT
Hello Brian, The best refinisher that I know of is located in Southend, Essex. Amongst other clients, he does all the paintwork on Martyn Booth's high-end guitars. I know Martyn and he's VERY, VERY fussy and would only use the best. He's often so busy that he's not able to take on any new work, but he's well worth an email/call.......... www.dm-guitars.co.ukSteven. DM Guitars don't do Cellulose Paint jobs no more, so does that mean Fieast Red is not an option unless you find someone who uses cellulose pain? Or is it acrylic? or other type of paint used and not mostly of car paints?  Looking to get mine done as I am happy with the sound and everything else. No point buying a US Classic as I doubt there will be that much difference over the Squire 50's Classic Vibe. Or am I mad for thinking there is not a huge difference? Andy |
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Post by Charlie Hall on Mar 1, 2011 21:09:19 GMT
Refinishing the guitar could devalue it. Apparently Fender has a record of all serial numbers and the original colour for each. I don't know when they started doing this though. It might pay to see if you can get the info from Fender before proceeding. If they have no record, then it should be OK.
Personally, I wouldn't be interested in having a refinish done unless it was going to be with nitro.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by andystrat on Mar 1, 2011 21:21:16 GMT
It's a Squire Charlie, worth 2 balloons and a goldfish at best Although it does sound really good and it plays well now the setup is sorted. I would only want Nitro as it is the best. But who can paint these guitars? Do we have any members who can do this? Andy |
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Post by Charlie Hall on Mar 1, 2011 21:26:19 GMT
That's different then!
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by kipper on Mar 1, 2011 22:07:23 GMT
what charlie said is true if you send your serial number to them they will give you the full spec on that guitar, i cant remember how far back they go. 90`s i think peter
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Post by Tone on Mar 2, 2011 8:43:31 GMT
I didn't have a choice with mine. The amp fell on top of it which didn't do the finish any good at all. And I don't like relic looking guitars!
Something interesting emerged (literally) during the refinishing. I bought the guitar, a 57 Vintage Reissue, second hand and it was, of course, Fiesta Red. However, when it was stripped it was found that the original colour was Shoreline Gold and it had been refinished in Fiesta Red without the original paint being stripped.
Cheers.
Tony
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Post by Gary mac on Mar 2, 2011 9:16:39 GMT
Hi all
I got my strat re-finished in fiesta red (fully stripped) nitro finish as it was shell pink which im told was a japanese custom colour but i didnt like it much prefer the colour it is now and it cost me if i remember right £150 all in that was a setup as well and he made a cracking job of it .
Regards
Gary
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Post by andystrat on Mar 2, 2011 9:21:36 GMT
Where did you get it painted Gary? I can't seem to find anyone in my local area at all.
Cheers
Andy
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2011 9:40:21 GMT
Unless the body is really something 'special', it may be worth considering just buying another already finished in Fiesta Red, providing you're not that anal about the actual shade.
I've seen what appear to be good quality alder Strat bodies finished in that colour for £195 on the well known auction site. It would cost at least that for a decent re-spray.
On the subject of having the old paint stripped completely.........
In the 'good old days' at Fender, they routinely oversprayed sunburst bodies that were below par, quality-wise, in solid colours, without stripping them back to the wood.
In point of fact, some of the latest Custom Shop relics, are produced like this, with sunburst showing through the 'worn' top coat!
The main caveat is that whatever paint you're putting on top, should be compatible and not 'react' in any way, to what is underneath.
I've only got one guitar that is finished in nitro (one of the numbered, 1954 40th Anniversary ones from 1994) and yes, if you like the finish to sink into the grain and age over time, it certainly delivers and is even apparent on my 17 year old guitar. The nickel hardware is also starting to tarnish/dull a bit and the fact that this is a replica of a 1954 guitar, does make it look quite authentic, without going down the relic (yuk!) route.
However, I've also got a USA PRS Custom 22 of the same vintage and that's finished with a 'urethane' top coat and looks just as classy as the Fender but still flawless.
Steven.
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Post by richie on Mar 2, 2011 11:13:38 GMT
i think even if the guitar was a more expensive one and you still were wanting to have it re done theres no harm in that cause at the end of the day wether it be worth money or not if its your guitar and you love it to bits and are never going to sell it its obviously prices less to you and you are only wanting to inprove its looks
so theres nothing wrong in that at all really
Richie
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2011 15:25:33 GMT
Just one further thought on the relative merits of various paint finishes......
I know some people go on & on about nitro-cellulose being the 'only' way to go, but I don't always agree. Sure, if you've got a guitar that has that as it's original finish, it makes sense to have it refinished with the same process. More so, if it's an old/vintage guitar, because value issues come into the equation then.
However, there are downsides to a nitro finish. It is by its very nature, a somewhat 'soft' finish, that marks easily either by indentation or just being in contact with something that it reacts to.
I once bought a new Gibson Les Paul Custom in Alpine White (nitro). I had several String Swing guitar hangers, 'guaranteed not to mark any finish' (!!). I was going away for a week and put the guitar on one of these hangers. When I returned, I was rewarded with a nice nicotine coloured 'ring' below the headstock where it had been in contact with the hanger. If it had been any other finish other than nitro., this wouldn't have happened. Mind you, I was particularly unlucky, in that my guitar had a white painted neck. If it had been black/mahogany or cherry, it wouldn't have been noticeable.
Even if you're not a fan of his guitars, one has to regard Paul Reed Smith as the premier, volume guitar manufacturer of the 'Big 3'. Although I'm a Strat. man and own four of them, in terms of a 'quality' instrument, none of them are built to the standard of my USA PRS and neither were the two Gibsons that I owned in the past. I certainly beg to differ with the "Only a Gibson is good enough" sales tag. As I stated earlier, the finish is flawless and this is just a 'standard' PRS Custom 22.
Paul could easily have gone the nitro. route as the best method of finishing his guitars, but for a variety of reasons, he didn't and he uses a combination of different stains, undercoats and topcoats, that give most of the benefits of nitro., without the disadvantages.
The only thing you don't get, is 'that' smell. When I open the case of my 1954 Anniversary Strat., that lovely Fender smell wafts up to greet me! Must admit, I've got a thing about the smells of certain gear! Old Fender amps. have their own aroma too. Marshall's give off a totally different whiff..............!
Better stop now before someone sends for the men in white coats!
Steven.
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Post by paulnic on Mar 2, 2011 17:09:56 GMT
steven the men in white coats are coming to get you lol
paul
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Post by andystrat on Mar 2, 2011 19:55:27 GMT
The men in white have been outside his house for weeks. He won't go out..........LOL
Andy
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Post by andystrat on Mar 2, 2011 20:21:32 GMT
I contacted a Guitar Painter and this was his reply when I asked if he could strip and respray my Squire in Fiesta Red.
I did not mention anything about having the neck touched.
"Hi Andy, A straight single colour re-spray is priced at £250. Im fairly sure
i have a paint that matches that red but as you want an exact match i
would need to get the paint code from somewhere and order it specially.
The cost of this would be added to the price (shouldnt be any more than
£20-£30) unless you just wanted to see how the paint i already have
matches up.
Necks can be a bit tricky. If it is bare wood then the grease and sweat
it may have come into contact with might give my paint adhesion issues.
If it is lacquered i will need to find out what with just in case there
are any possible reactions between whats already on there and what im
putting on. There will also be a small lip where the paint stops at the
edge of the fretboard. I would sand this down so it is as smooth as
possible but you will feel it when playing.
Also, i dont know where abouts you are but i now only paint guitars for
people in the UK. The customs fees, shipping fees and problems with
insuring a musical instrument make it a nightmare shipping overseas.
Cheers Andy,
Svee.
So why do I end up with a LIP??
Andy
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Post by alanmckillop on Mar 2, 2011 20:53:20 GMT
Get in touch with Ian Harper from Scarborough. I had a Fender Classic Player 50's in two tone sunburst (they only did them in shoreline gold and sunburst) and the guitar played so well, I got Ian to respray it for me ............ and he did a fabulous job. He'll give you the choice of the 'Japan' FR (slightly orangey) or US FR (which was what I selected).
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Post by tonybiker on Mar 2, 2011 22:44:25 GMT
You may end up with a thick one as well if he see's this post! ;D So why do I end up with a LIP?? Andy |
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Post by paulnic on Mar 3, 2011 8:08:54 GMT
lol
paul
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Post by andystrat on Mar 3, 2011 10:26:06 GMT
;D ;D ;D ;D I hope he brings a friend, he will need him to carry him home ;D ;D ;D ;D Andy You may end up with a thick one as well if he see's this post! ;D So why do I end up with a LIP?? Andy |
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Post by dolie on Mar 3, 2011 10:27:14 GMT
Hi Brian.
I see a Stratocaster body(new) for sale on Amazon UK.
In high gloss Fiesta Red(Right handed) for £69.75 sold by SYC Guitar parts.(I've never heard of them?) I don't know
if it will fit your neck or bridge?You can check it out if you like.(Just type in guitar bodies)
It might save you an arm and a leg on a spray job.Another crowd that sell
Strat bodies are Axesrus.uk.(Don't know if they have one Fiesta Red?)
All the best best!
Dolie
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Post by kipper on Mar 3, 2011 13:20:37 GMT
hi brian been thinking about this and i think bearing in mind maybe devauling guitar and all other factors your best bet is to buy a top end body ready painted in your choice of colour and finish. put all your hardware on that, put the oridginal body away for safe keeping then if you want to sell the guitar as a whole at a later date just swop hardware back. you could also sell the new body if you wanted. you then have not lost any any money by devaluing guitar with a respray. i think this route would also be cheaper than a respray. you can get a top body in your colour for no more than £200.00. i would say i brought a body from axesrus and didnt like it just didnt have the feel about it. they are a good company and i buy bits there all the time, but woudlnt get another body there. any way good luck on what ever you do. peter
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Post by brian on Mar 3, 2011 17:40:01 GMT
Hi Peter, thats something i never thought about
i think i might just do that, thanks its a great idea
brian
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Post by brian on Mar 3, 2011 17:42:24 GMT
thank you everyone for your help and advice re fiesta paint job
brian
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Post by roymattblack on Mar 4, 2011 14:45:58 GMT
Just to make you all cringe....
I had a genuine 1972 Gold top les Paul Gibson bought new, and I resprayed it myself using car spray cans!!!
TWICE!!!
First, silver, and then purple.
I eventually dismantled the guitar and took all the paint off using a Stanley knife blade, dragged backwards. Took forever.
The guitar then went to Selmer (the importers at the time) and they re-laquered the amazing birdseye maple I uncovered.
I probably had one of the first natural maple les Pauls!
It looked amazing.
I sold it (foolishly) a few years later.
It must be worth a fortune now.
Anyone had any 'Gems' in the past they regret parting with?
I have a list that would make you weep!
Roy
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