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Post by les on May 4, 2011 23:20:19 GMT
Hi members,Im useing a Zoom G2 1NU with Charlies EFTP patches through a Roland cube 60 at home for practice between gigs,Both items have had around 6 months use from new.
Is it possible that they are sounding even better because they are becoming run in ?
I can understand the 1 x 12 speaker possibly settling down but surely not the Zoom ........ being digital ? I just cant imagine having to run a box of chips in !
My own edited patches sound really good, ........ and of course a few that need more editing,Though it goes without saying that Charlies EFTP patches have made the Zoom what its become, ...... a very worthwhile purchase.
But,Run the Zoom in from new ? cant be can it ?
Best wishes, Les.
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Post by Charlie Hall on May 5, 2011 0:25:24 GMT
Hi Les,
I don't think the G21Nu would ever sound different than when new, unless it develops a software or hardware fault.
The amp's speaker could change, especially if it was new 6 months ago.
I have noticed that guitars that aren't being used seem to "sulk"! When I get one out I haven't played for a long time it seems to take a while before it starts sounding how I remember it sounding before. Not sure why this is, it could just be down to the strings or even just psychological, and BTW I did have to check the spelling of psychological in Google. I remember having to do that some years ago and all I could get was references to the word with the same wrong spelling that I had used. In desperation I ended up typing "trick cyclist" into Google and found the correct spelling that I wanted!
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by didier on May 5, 2011 8:01:10 GMT
Is it possible that they are sounding even better because they are becoming run in ? I can understand the 1 x 12 speaker possibly settling down but surely not the Zoom ........ being digital ? A speaker may need some "running in" as the cone suspension gets a little softer with time, and as a consequence, the resonance frequency gets a little lower. This is a well known issue in high end Hi-Fi, but much less the case with guitar speakers which have a rather stiff cone suspension. Of course, no running in for electronic circuits, particularly for digital ones ! Didier |
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Post by twang46 on May 5, 2011 8:15:19 GMT
Hi Les Interesting  Could it be, that as you become more used to the Zoom & the Roland you are getting more from them & this results in better sounds. ? Cheers Dick |
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Post by les on May 5, 2011 8:42:27 GMT
Hi Charlie,I think that there is something in what you say about sulky guitars,I wonder wether it might be to do with the molecules in the wood needing re-training with the string vibrations.
Hi Didier,I really couldnt see that Digital equipment could need to be run in - in all honesty, ....... I thought that i was beginning to lose it ! Unlike guitar strings that to me sound much better a week or two after they have been replaced,As with amp valves,yes they sound so fresh from new but, to me sound much better after a good period of use,Thats running in eh.
Hiya Dick,Thankyou also for your comment,I think that you are spot on with what you say.
Thankyou members, Best wishes, Les.
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Post by 26rednef on May 5, 2011 8:55:01 GMT
Hi.
Speakers and acoustic instruments will have a period of changing sound and for instruments it can last for the life time of it. A well known group is acoustic instruments mostly made of non exotic wood like violins and even guitars etc. and the electric guitar is in that category. One example I have followed is my old 1962 Strat I bought 1964, it has been more and more acoustic through the years. To day it has more or less same acoustic output as a 335, that was not the case back in the 60's. Same process can be seen on violins they tend to sound better and better until certain point (200/300 years ) and may start to go the other way after that.
For the speakers it is obvious that things like edges holding the speaker cone and spider holding the coil will be more flexible after some use and will therefore be more adaptable to movements.
Digital gadgets is not sounding "better" if not software updated, but the user can be better to tweak it to sound better after some use, that is often the case. You have to know your gadgets and there capacity.
Kind Regards,
26rednef
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Post by rosemary on May 5, 2011 9:23:06 GMT
Hi Les
I have almost the same setup except a Cube 40XL and feel exactly the same way. It's taken awhile but I like the sound from this amp now and can only put it down to having got used to it. Now I rarely change amp settings except a little volume or gain and guitar volume adjustment and although sometimes when I'm playing I don't think the tone is that good when I play back a recording it's much better than I thought.
As for Charlie's comments about guitars sulking, my backup green Mexican Strat positively shines after it's been played although maybe that's because it sits on a stand and playing it polishes it up a bit.
Best wishes
Rosemary
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Post by 26rednef on May 5, 2011 9:39:51 GMT
Hi Rosemary.
That is a psychological thing we have a model in the brain how it shall sound and try to adapt what we hear to that and after wail we get use to the differences and have the filing that it sounds the way we want. Take for example the first time you hear your voice from a recording, it doesn't sound at all what you are use to hear from the "inside" so to say, but after some time in the recording studio you will get use to it and the feeling is hat it sounds mostly the same as from the inside.
I think that is like to get use to new colors, clods, hair cuttings etc. that is the way we work.
Kind Regards,
26rednef
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Post by rosemary on May 5, 2011 9:50:17 GMT
Hi 26rednef
That's true. Also I get very frustrated and disillusioned when I try to record something I think I know fairly well and keep making mistakes. Then often when I play it back a few hours later it doesn't sound anywhere near as bad overall as I thought even with the mistakes and lately the guitar tone has usually been a very pleasant surprise.
best wishes
Rosemary
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Post by 26rednef on May 5, 2011 10:08:18 GMT
Hi Rosemary.
We tend to hear or own mistakes much better on a recording then others because you know exactly how you decided to play, but as you say after a wail we will accept the mistakes and let them go, or not and make a new recording and it will be better. To play live performances is a very good school, it is impossible to redo things when the "train" is runing it cant be stopped without a disaster so the mistakes has to be forgiven and forget at once. So it forces you to really get things wright from the start and put you in the rehearsal room for long times.
Kind Regards,
26rednef
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Post by grip on May 5, 2011 12:13:17 GMT
Hi Charlie, I have noticed that guitars that aren't being used seem to "sulk"! When I get one out I haven't played for a long time it seems to take a while before it starts sounding how I remember it sounding before. Not sure why this is, it could just be down to the strings or even just psychological, and BTW I did have to check the spelling of psychological in Google.
Regards,
Charlie Maybe that's the reason StewMac sell these: www.stewmac.com/shop/Accessories/ToneRite/ToneRite.htmlKind regards, Chris |
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Post by Charlie Hall on May 5, 2011 12:19:12 GMT
Hi Chris,
Very interesting link. There definitely seems to be something in it, as evidenced by others' findings.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by les on May 5, 2011 12:47:12 GMT
............. There you are ! ............ Just as i said ! The molecules need waking up in the wood of the Guitar. ......... I just knew there was something in it. Best wishes, Les.
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Post by DaveC on May 5, 2011 19:06:02 GMT
The trouble with these ideas is that the results are totally subjective. The Tonerite idea sounds highly plausible to me and already my inner "Propellor Head" is tempted. However I can't forget the spoof(?) article run by one the Hi-Fi mags in the '70s. They pointed out that the electrical current to a speaker was AC and therefore the same electrons were going up and down the speaker cable again and again. There was definite (but subjective) evidence that these exhausted electrons had an audible effect. Their solution was a weekly blast of DC to "flush out" the little beggars and replace them with new particles! Despite the fact that this was published in their April issue the subsequent argument and correspondence ran for months  . I'm positive that I could hear a difference though... DaveC |
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Post by twang46 on May 5, 2011 20:35:33 GMT
The trouble with these ideas is that the results are totally subjective. The Tonerite idea sounds highly plausible to me and already my inner "Propellor Head" is tempted. However I can't forget the spoof(?) article run by one the Hi-Fi mags in the '70s. They pointed out that the electrical current to a speaker was AC and therefore the same electrons were going up and down the speaker cable again and again. There was definite (but subjective) evidence that these exhausted electrons had an audible effect. Their solution was a weekly blast of DC to "flush out" the little beggars and replace them with new particles! Despite the fact that this was published in their April issue the subsequent argument and correspondence ran for months . I'm positive that I could hear a difference though... DaveC Hi Dave I remember that as well, also the "triangles" that were proposed by Peter Belt ( I think that was his name) that you stuck to your amp/turntable etc.... & yes I could hear a difference ;D What finished me with "hi-fi" was a visit to a local retailer (Lintone Audio) & being shown a flimsy "coffee table" support for a £1500 turntable that really did make it sound better I then realised I was listening to "hi-fi" & not music. I now listen to most of my music on a Technics micro system !. Stored in the loft is my beloved Arcam pre/mono block etc.. system waiting for the right time to get it out in the open again  Cheers Dick |
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Post by didier on May 6, 2011 15:36:58 GMT
However I can't forget the spoof(?) article run by one the Hi-Fi mags in the '70s. They pointed out that the electrical current to a speaker was AC and therefore the same electrons were going up and down the speaker cable again and again. There was definite (but subjective) evidence that these exhausted electrons had an audible effect. Their solution was a weekly blast of DC to "flush out" the little beggars and replace them with new particles! Despite the fact that this was published in their April issue the subsequent argument and correspondence ran for months . Great one ! haven't heard of it before... ;D Didier |
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