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Post by ly on May 21, 2011 20:15:11 GMT
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Post by Charlie Hall on May 21, 2011 23:39:32 GMT
Hi ly,
A lovely sound on the first file. Still good on the second, but the first one sounds more like the original.
As we don't have a comparison for before and after (unless these two files are the comparison), what do you consider to be the major changes from the new techniques? Reverb, guitar tone, other?
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by ly on May 21, 2011 23:54:17 GMT
Hi Charlie
My new setup:
jap strat with Fat 50' pu > Tube PreAmp > Yamaha MS >
Tube Comp > MXR EQ > Vox Ac15Heritage | Rode M3 Mic > M-Audio Interface > Computer.
With these setup I get a fater sound and more control on tone.
Usualy I used HM Signature Strat(DiMarz FS1) > Yamaha MS >
Vox AC15.
Regards
Yechiel
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2011 9:13:45 GMT
HI, LI, I, very much liked the first file & your playing on it was fine to me!! ..
YOU won't go wrong with the FAT-50's Great vintage P/ups but a little extra-grunt!!
Can you explain the 2x files please ...
CHEERS barry..
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Post by asimmd on May 22, 2011 9:32:18 GMT
Hi Ly
I was quite impressed with your sound and I would like to know more about the gear you used.
Which Tube Pre - Which Tube Comp - Which MXR EQ
I would also like to know why you posted 2 files,perhaps an explanation would help.
Thanks
Alan
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Post by ly on May 22, 2011 10:20:04 GMT
Hi hoadlies And Alen
Thanks.
The 2 files are not from the same recording.
my setup:
1.Jap Start with Fat 50'(orginal pups was vintage 57/62 which was good but not fat) strings are Pyramid Nikel Classics 11'.
2.Seymour Duncan Twin Tube Classic
3.Yamaha MS with Chrlies EFTP
4.MarkBass Compressore
5.MXR 10 bands EQ
4. VOX AC 15 Heritage
5.Rode M3 Mic
6.M-Audio Fast Track Ultra
7.Computer Win7+Mixcraft
Editing with Mixcraft:
global efx-Classic Master Limiter
on solo track:various efx as needed but not too much,
like Pultronic Tube EQ or Classic Reverb and Classic EQ.
Thats all
Regards
Yechiel
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Post by ly on May 22, 2011 14:34:01 GMT
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Post by strat197 on May 22, 2011 17:29:50 GMT
Hi Iy,
You have a very unique sound and play very well, I thought it was very good. Well done..
Regards
Tony
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Post by ly on May 22, 2011 20:00:43 GMT
Hi Tony
Thanks
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Post by ly on May 22, 2011 21:48:46 GMT
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Post by asimmd on May 23, 2011 13:26:42 GMT
Hi ly
Many thanks for the gear list.I wonder what piece of equipment you think gives you your sound,which is very good.
I have an NOS56 with Custom Pickups which come with the guitar,but it dosen't sound anything like yours.
I must also say that your Gretsch recording of Stars Fell On Stockton sounds more
Fender than any of my Fender guitars.
It's no wonder people say that certain tunes were played on a Gretsch when it sounds
this good.
Looking forward to hearing some more.
Alan
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Post by ly on May 23, 2011 16:45:55 GMT
Hi Alan
Thanks.
I don't know exactly which piece gives me this sound,may be it is the combination of all.
The Twin Tube Pre gives fat sound which goes directly to Yamaha MS(EFTP) then the compressor adjust volume with warm and a little bit fatter sound as it is Tube based comp.Finally MXR EQ is active only if I do not get the sound I'm after(On some tunes I do not need to EQ, like Apache),and The VOX AC Heritage have 2 chanals(EF86 and TBX)
When I was recording my Gretsch guitar which is equiped with single coil pups I did use Gemini III to reduse bass.
I have also HM Signature Strat with FS1 and SD pups and for this guitar I have also to reduce bass with Gemini III.
I will try to post recordings(new and old) with these Guitars to compare.
The Jap Fender Strat is a cheap guitar well build and have good sound.
(The HM Signature I bought 19 years ago cost me about 2000
pounds and The Jap one only 300 pound and it came with vintage 57/62 pups which I replaced with Fenders Fat 50)
The HM Strat is definitly a better guitar and sounds very goog on modern Hank Marvin sound(1980-1994),but it is difficult to capture early Shads sound with it,so I bought the Jap one.
About strings:
I use Thomastik Blues sliders 10' on Gretsch and HM
and Pyranyd Nickel Classics 11' on the Jap.
Thanks again
Yechiel
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Post by ly on May 23, 2011 21:05:29 GMT
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Post by ly on May 24, 2011 21:31:14 GMT
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Post by Charlie Hall on May 24, 2011 21:55:46 GMT
Hi Ly,
I might be able to help you with the clipping on Sleepwalk. Let me know if you want to send me a link to the original wav file or to just try to fix the mp3 that you already posted.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by ly on May 24, 2011 22:18:30 GMT
Hi Charlie
I hope you feel better...
and thanks for your reply.
I will post a link to the solo track in wav format,it will take
some minutes.
Thanks
ly
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Post by ly on May 24, 2011 22:56:17 GMT
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Post by Charlie Hall on May 24, 2011 23:29:52 GMT
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Post by ly on May 25, 2011 4:31:16 GMT
Hi Charlie Thanks a lot. Now I'm at work, I will download your file when I will be at home. I will inform you after loading file. Can you explain how did you did that ? Thanks again Yechiel BTW I have added Samson 15 band EQ(analog) to my setup, and it gives more flexibility to shape the sound. Now I want to add a tube pre amp for the mic.(I use AKG C1000 or Rode M3) There are some option like: PreSonus Studio Channel which have 3 band EQ, Compressor which can be a limiter ! , but it is not cheap... www.presonus.com/products/Detail.aspx?ProductId=57or Samson C-Valve Tube Pre-Amp which have a limiter and it is cheap. Can not decide which one to buy. Any recommendation ? Thanks again ly |
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Post by Charlie Hall on May 25, 2011 10:28:36 GMT
Hi ly,
I used the Virtos Noise Wizard Decrackle feature to reduce the effect of the clipping, and then ran the cleaned file through a limiter to reduce the high peaks and to enable a slightly higher average track level.
While I have heard of the two valve preamps you are talking about I have not tried them or heard them. My immediate thought would be to suggest a valve preamp without a compressor or limiter built in and use external units for those additional effects. I would avoid the cheaper valve preamp types like the ART or Behringer as they tend to use starved voltages to produce their sound.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by ly on May 25, 2011 12:39:24 GMT
Hi Charlie
As my audio interface have 2 insert outputs (send/return)
a better solution is to use a tube based cond.Mic
and to use an external limiter.(tube ?)
ly
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Post by Charlie Hall on May 25, 2011 13:30:57 GMT
Hi ly,
Possibly, it sounds a reasonable direction to go in to me. It would be better to see if anyone else replies about this as I do not use an interface, only a normal soundcard.
Did you collect the file that I posted on 4shared?
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by ly on May 25, 2011 15:02:45 GMT
Hi Charlie
Yes I have collected your cleaned file and it is OK.
Thanks
About tube Mic I can purchase Rode NTK which is not cheap but not so high end mic price.
About comp/limiter may be I will buy another MarkBass Compressore which can be also a limiter and it is true tube Comp.
(It is cheaper than other studio high quality tube comp/limiter
but it is very good quality)
Thanks again
Yechiel
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Post by Charlie Hall on May 25, 2011 19:18:19 GMT
Hi Yechiel,
Thank you for letting me know that you have the file and that it is OK.
I think it is sometimes worth spending more money when an important project is involved. Cheaper items will almost never produce the same results. There can be exceptions but in any case it is always advisable to do a lot of research before making a purchasing decision.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by ly on May 25, 2011 19:30:50 GMT
Hi Yechiel, I think it is sometimes worth spending more money when an important project is involved. Cheaper items will almost never produce the same results. There can be exceptions but in any case it is always advisable to do a lot of research before making a purchasing decision. Regards, Charlie Hi Charlie You are absolutely right! Yechiel |
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Post by ly on May 25, 2011 21:35:59 GMT
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Post by ly on Jun 9, 2011 20:00:38 GMT
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Post by shawbridge on Jun 11, 2011 19:20:58 GMT
hi Guy's,
I'm intrigued, at the get together there were a lot of strats with all manner of pickups, my guitar was a 1978 USA maple neck.
I was bowled over by the amount of people that came to me to ask what pickups i had on the guitar, i hadn't really tokk much notice before, they are standard fender pickups that came fitted.
I had concidered the likes of kinman and fat 50s but now i'm not really sure what to do as the soung i had apparently sounded very good, i don't know.
the set-up we had on the saturday was a Pinnacal which had been modified by Charlie and also my vox ac30cc2x, i thought maybe the amplifier made the difference heard but i also used th ac30, magicstomp was used for efects.
charlie made an interesting comment as my guitar is lacking most of the paintwork and down to natural wood as seen in the photos, he said did i think it sounded better with most of the paintwork missing and now it's got me thinking perhaps that's the key.
has anyone else got any sugetions as to what the difference might have been, as far as i am concerned 2 guitars the same year manufacture and design should sound the same but apparently not in this case.
cheers
Peter L
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Post by grip on Jun 11, 2011 20:27:04 GMT
Hi Peter,
It was really nice to meet you at the Get Together. I have an '90's American Standard Strat that I stripped the poly coating from and refinished it with cellulose lacquer, I also filled in the "swimming pool" PU cavity and found a big difference to the sound, at the time I had the standard PU's on it and have subsequently changed them for '57/'62's for a further improvement. It's almost as though the good sound is trapped in by that poly coat.
Your sound (and playing) was excellent, you really don't need to change anything other than for the sake of change.
Kind regards,
Chris
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