dirty sound

[kipper]

hi all whats the best way or best pedal to get a more dirty sound not over the top, useing a strat or tele. peter

[26rednef]

Hi.

As always in music and this type of things there is no best way, best sound, best product, best technique, it depends so much on what you want to achieve what type of music, what type gigs and what type of references you have etc. etc. When it comes to overdrive types of sounds I prefer the Dumdle sound type, and for that type of sound Hermida Zendrive is one of the best sounding pedals out there, but as always I don't buy them I do them my self.

Kind Regards,
26rednef

[kipper]

do you mean you make them??

[26rednef]

Hi.

Yes I have made most of my pedals, amps, guitars, delay programs etc. etc. by my self of course with much help from schematics and information on the web, I would say very thing you need for it is out there and it is a lot more fun and you know what you are doing and how to use it.
Here, some very good kits if you want to try, a bit simpler then do it from scratch.
www.buildyourownclone.com/

Kind Regards,
26rednef

[joeboy]

Hi 26rednef

Some very nice kits there, I'm tempted to have a go at one or two myself

[kipper]

thanks for link rednef

[rogercook]

Worth having a look at General Guitar Gadgets www.generalguitargadgets.com/ , Tonepad www.tonepad.com/ and Runoffgroove www.runoffgroove.com/ too

Roger

[tonybiker]

Hi Peter.

The easy way to get what you describe a 'dirty' sound, in otherwords overdriven/distortion, is to get a simple stomp pedal. There are hundreds of choices from Boss, Behringer etc. And you don't have to spend mega bucks either.

Visit here and click on Guitar Stompbox's. You can hear sound files to give you an idea. Once you find one that sounds something like, go to yuotube and put the pedal name in the search engine for more info. There is always someone thats uploaded a demo.

www.behringer.com/EN/Products/

Peter Leyland at the get together played a Clapton blues number which impressed everyone playing and sound wise. All I used for Peter was a Behringer HD300 pedal and a compressor pedal. £50 for the pair of them.

Tony

[rogerbayliss]

Most obvious choice for the blues players is the TS808/TS09 and clones. Behringher actually do a good cheap copy of one of those. The early stuff was often done with a Dallas Rangemaster ot the Hornby Skewes and similar treble boosters. There are however clean Boost pedals out there that fall under the heading of Booster Pedals believe it of not. A good all rounder might be something like the Blackstar Dual Pedal which does Boost/Distortion and Overdrive in one box around £149. Some multi-stompboxes have these in them modelled as well ie Tonelab and POD et Al

HTH

[Deleted]

Single coils under distortion or overdrive become very noisy, humbuckers not so much. If you buy an overdrive or distortion pedal you may have to then buy a noise gate pedal to tame it down then perhaps a delay pedal etc. A pod xt is the better option because you can choose an amp model add any number of distortion pedals (tubescreamer, classic distortion, fuzz etc) then tame it down with the noise gate reduction. You can then add a delay either tape 4 head, analog, ping pong or digital either front end of an amp or record mode.
Whatever try before you buy.
Tony

[kipper]

thanks to everyone for there advice and suggestions. peter

[jimmyc]

Hi Peter

I bought a Fulltone OCD pedal a couple of years ago and really like it. It seems to still retain the 'sound' of the amp even when being driven a bit . Also, the controls are easy to use and do what they're supposed to.

Kind regards

Jim

[26rednef]

Hi.

When it comes to overdrive sounds Single coils PU's is a bit hard to use and will tend to be to noisy, that is one reason I taken them of my guitars and have changed to Kinman PU's and they are as good as any HB PU for overdrive sounds. I am not a fan of TS 808/TS09 and that kind of pedals to me they are to mid ranged and sounds to nasal. I like the Dumble type of OD sounds, it is a softer and warmer sound a more horn like sound that is not nasal and the Hermida Zendrive is one of the best sounding pedals out there for that kind of sound.

Check it out here.
www.vendio.com/stores/HermidaAudio/item/effects-pedals/zendrive/lid=2384441

Kind Regards,
26rednef

[s4wgb]

How about the old fashioned RAT pedal?

musical-instruments.shop.the well known auction site.co.uk/Musical-Instruments-/619/i.html?_nkw=rat+pedal&_catref=1&_fln=1&_sc=1&_sop=10&_trksid=p3286.c0.m282

[26rednef]

Hi.

I have built both TS and RAT and use them, the original TS is to mid ranged and the original RAT is a bit to hard clipping according to what I like.

These two pedals is kind of mothers to the two ways to do the signal clipping. In the TS the clipping is made in the feedback circuity of the OP amp and in the RAT it is made after it. Most pedals on the market is variation on this two with different clipping components and filters. Hermida Zendrive is a variation of the TS pedal with a different signal clipping section and filtering.

Kind Regards,
26rednef

[kipper]

how about a boss ds-1 anybody use one of them. or a boss sd-1. peter

[26rednef]

Hi again.

I have build and used it, it is a variant of the RAT circuitry with the clipping after the OP-amp,
more hard clipping and sounding a bit harder then a TS.

Build the Overdrive 2 from B.Y.O.C it will cover them all in one pedal, a real good choose.
www.buildyourownclone.com/overdrive2.html

Kind Regards,
26rednef

[kipper]

thanks rednef i might just have a go at that, never done one before but it looks good. peter

[shawbridge]

Hi,
assuming you may use a combo amplifier eg AC30 or similar, have you tried going direct through the amplifier, experimenting with the master and imput volume.

Generally for shads type music its master up full then introduce the imput volume but if you back off the master and turn up the input volume you will get a dirty sound and probably at 50 50 you will get a crunch sound and if more imput volume added you will get more distortion, worth a try.

There is a site worth seeking out on you tube showing a demonstration of the VOX AC30cc2x that demonstrates this very well.

cheers
Peter

[kipper]

hi peter i have just got my twin pinnacle back from amanda and will try that now that the amp is working properly. she`s made a nice job of some mods on it. peter

[kipper]

Jun 28, 2011 22:39:59 GMT shawbridge said:

Hi,
assuming you may use a combo amplifier eg AC30 or similar, have you tried going direct through the amplifier, experimenting with the master and imput volume.

Generally for shads type music its master up full then introduce the imput volume but if you back off the master and turn up the input volume you will get a dirty sound and probably at 50 50 you will get a crunch sound and if more imput volume added you will get more distortion, worth a try.

There is a site worth seeking out on you tube showing a demonstration of the VOX AC30cc2x that demonstrates this very well.

cheers
Peter

have tried what you suggested and it really works out good. gives me what i was looking for thanks peter. peter

[26rednef]

Hi.

To use a distortion pedal before the amp is mostly the best choice.

A problem with the cranked preamp is that most amps like the Vox AC30 and others sounds good up to the sweet stop but not when cranked more and start to clip the signal harder. This is a well known problem and therefor most amps made for overdrive sounds has separate channels for it, to also sound good clean, but even then it can be problems to get the best out of both sounds, trade offs has to made when designing it.

Kind Regards,
26rednef