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Post by Charlie Hall on Jul 8, 2011 4:09:27 GMT
As requested by a number of members, I have done a recording of Wonderful Land with the Hall & Collins echo. Backing track is derived from the Shadows original version without the orchestra and other overdubs, as heard on 50 Golden Greats CD. Some trace of Hank remains at all times. Played on my blue replica 50s style Strat fitted with Gibson L-5 12-56 (12, 16, 25w, 34, 44, 56) strings, pickups on a ready loaded pickguard supposedly taken from a 56NOS Strat. Bridge pickup, all controls on 10, 3 metre guitar cable, into the prototype echo unit, patch Echomatic 2 4 Wonderful Land, all controls at default settings, into Standel clone amp with speaker disconnected, into Palmer PDI-03 speaker sim, into computer. Some EQ after recording to get as close as I think I can to the original sound, some compression and some manual re-levelling of individual notes. If anyone wants to hear my guitar track separately from the backing, I can post that too. I hope you like it. Comments are welcome. Wonderful Land Hall Collins Echo.mp3Edit: Later work on the same recording. Applied lots of narrow band EQ changes to the guitar track only to more closely match the original curve, replaced the opening first phrase with the first phrase from the fadeout, and altered the mix balance with the backing track louder and the guitar track quieter. Wonderful Land Hall Collins Echo 2.mp3Regards, Charlie |
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Post by kipper on Jul 8, 2011 5:59:59 GMT
hi charlie that was to my ear as close as it gets. this unit is really getting there now. i would like to here it without backing if thats possible. but it just sounds brilliant you must be pleased after putting in the hours on it. well done. peter
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Post by Scotocaster on Jul 8, 2011 6:16:43 GMT
Hi Charlie, wonderful sound on Wonderful Land and wonderful playing..... what else can i say about this new unit, except wonderful lol Have a great day Scott
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Post by Charlie Hall on Jul 8, 2011 6:20:07 GMT
Hi Peter and Scott, Thanks for your kind comments. Every little variation in the echo sound that I heard on the original recording has been accounted for in the new Echomatic 2 patches. I have uploaded the guitar only file: WLand Hall Collins echo guitar only.mp3Regards, Charlie |
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Post by kipper on Jul 8, 2011 6:45:56 GMT
thanks charlie great great sound to my ears. that it for me. i cant help you with details of why its so good but it just is. peter
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Post by spookymoody on Jul 8, 2011 8:30:10 GMT
That was a pleasure to listen to. The sound is pretty close to the original. Great playing as well.
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Post by grip on Jul 8, 2011 9:26:18 GMT
Hi Charlie,
I don't have the original without the strings, but comparing your file to the version I have (Shadows Platinum Collection) There is literally nothing to choose between the Shadows version and your version in terms of echo, particularly noticeable during the muted section. I thought your guitar sound is slightly less "rounded" than Hanks even with the heavier gauge strings - but that may be the difference in the Shadows recordings.
It's a terrific demonstration of what yours and John's new unit is capable of and also of your playing skills.
Kind regards,
Chris
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2011 9:27:30 GMT
Hi Charlie I think to sum it all up, if the man himself needed a Hall & Collins Echo, you would have no problem convincing him. You have certainly convinced me. With what you and John have achieved so far, I have no doubt the finished product will be top class and will be widely acclaimed.
Regards Graham
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Post by philbarker on Jul 8, 2011 9:30:46 GMT
Well that’s fairly conclusive for me. What more can be said?
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Post by martyn on Jul 8, 2011 10:17:38 GMT
Hi Charlie,
That's a great 'wonderful' sound - very rich warm tones with constantly varying nuances in wow & flutter etc - some echo units can be lifeless in their robotic repeats but this unit really does add character and life to each note. Difficult to put into words but you instinctively know something's right when you hear it - and to my ears this is.
Incidentally, is there any added reverb built into the patch? I ask because it has that lingering slightly distant sound that reverb can sometimes add.
I'm also intrigued by the 'Standel clone amp' - can you explain what this is and what it's doing?
Started saving the pennies already for my H&C unit . . .
Cheers,
Martyn
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Post by brattmoore on Jul 8, 2011 10:35:49 GMT
Wow !!! Wonderful delay for "Wonderful Land" !
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Post by Charlie Hall on Jul 8, 2011 10:39:36 GMT
Thanks for all your comments.
Hi Martyn,
There is no added reverb, as it's just an echo unit.
The Standel clone amp is a circuit clone of a 25L15, the same type used by Chet Atkins. Each of the originals was custom built for the player so there were variations around the design. It is closer to class A than an AC30 and has a lot of compression when driven hard. It also has a cut control, except it is located in a different part of the circuit to a Vox.
I have added your name to the list.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by Charlie Hall on Jul 8, 2011 11:30:13 GMT
Hi Martyn,
There will some traces of reverb from Hank on the recording, it could be that you are hearing. If you listen to my guitar only file you'll find out whether you were hearing Hank or me!
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by rjanuarsa on Jul 8, 2011 11:37:20 GMT
Hi Charlie,
The echo sound and pattern are very close to the original indeed.
Did you use lighter string gauges and plain G on you guitar Charlie?
Regards,
Robby
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Post by Charlie Hall on Jul 8, 2011 11:45:40 GMT
Hi Robby,
Thanks for your comments.
I used my other replica Strat with Gibson L-5 12s with a wound G, all the details are in my first post of this thread.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by guitarsam on Jul 8, 2011 12:19:42 GMT
Yep, that's it. I'm sold now. I want one. I just had to hear this pedal on everyone's favourite Shads tune. That's as close as it gets to "THAT SOUND" we're all after.
Thank you, Charlie, and best of luck with the new product when it is released.
Regards,
Scott
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Post by shawbridge on Jul 8, 2011 12:22:34 GMT
Hi Charlie,
Fantastic sound, whils't listening to it i thought at times I was listening to the original, so uncannily close to the original is that.
I think to be fair, the shadows would record it then it would be fettled in the studio, mixed and wot-not to get to get to a point were they were happy with the overall sound presentation for the record.
If i may say that given the fact that you have just played to the backing track at home with guitar through the echo box and still get so close as to find it difficult to tell the difference, that is some achievment.
cheers
Peter
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Post by John Collins on Jul 8, 2011 12:32:20 GMT
Good work with the playing on this one too, Charlie.
Sounds good from where I am, which is under a palm tree on a beach in Thailand, listening on a borrowed notebook, with a "Low Fi "set of headphones I managed to buy yesterday in a street market! ;D
Using the backing version without strings was a good idea, as it means the guitar track, and echo tails, stand out a little more.
Regards,
John
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Post by gitfenburn on Jul 8, 2011 13:22:13 GMT
Hi Charlie,
After this demo I can see the order book increasing dramatically!
Well done,fantastic sound and achievement.
Regards,
Alan.
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Post by shadowhankron on Jul 8, 2011 14:55:27 GMT
Hi Charlie
EXCELLENT SOUND on Wonderful Land from your new designed Unit.
You will have HANK MARVIN BLUSHING
Looking for the Holy Grail of the Hank MARVIN Sound is almost over, with this fantastic New
Proto Type Demo from this new Unit.
regards
Ronnie
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Post by Andy Cook on Jul 8, 2011 15:17:05 GMT
Hi Charlie The echo playing everything it's just fantastic. We just need a time machine now, so we can go and get your finished echo pedal, and buy and have it now.  Best regards Andy |
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Post by ly on Jul 8, 2011 15:33:51 GMT
Hi Charlie
Thanks for "That Wondeful Sound"
How did you get That Fat Sound ?
ly
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Post by tonybiker on Jul 8, 2011 17:35:43 GMT
Hi Charlie.
Given the Wonderful land sound has been near impossible to find, this comes so very close. And from a very basic set up as well, which I would think most people have, and also be able to adjust their gear to suit. Very impressive. Outstanding work Charlie.
Tony
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Post by solidlg on Jul 8, 2011 17:57:30 GMT
You have cracked it Charlie.
Steve
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Post by shadocaster61 on Jul 8, 2011 18:07:01 GMT
If Carlsberg did Wonderful Land, it still wouldn't be a patch on your recording Charlie , that is the closest to the original I've ever heard, can't wait to get my hands on one, well done Charlie !!!
Kev
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Post by billboy75 on Jul 8, 2011 18:40:28 GMT
Hi Charlie What a great sound, bring on the new unit. I cannot get anywhere near your sound with my American Strat, Q20 and VoxAC15 Heritage amp. Is it all down to the Hall & Collins, or am I just a crapp player?  ?? Well done Charlie, you have a winner there. Bill |
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Post by brian on Jul 8, 2011 19:30:54 GMT
Amazing Charlie, can you please let us have it again with the strings. Brian
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Post by ade on Jul 8, 2011 19:38:33 GMT
Hi Charlie
A wonderful Wonderful Land! I can't add any more superlatives - these have been said already!
Can't wait to get my H & C echo. Now all I have to do is to improve my playing!
Regards
Ade
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Post by strat197 on Jul 8, 2011 20:35:01 GMT
Wel Charlie - I mathered for Wonderful Land as it was my fav Shads Track ...and yes Im blown away ..I remember you said you were going for the Abbey Rd recording of it ..
Charlie this is truly remarkable - Exceptional !! Last question - will this be available soon ...maybe xmas ?
regards Tony
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Post by guitarsam on Jul 8, 2011 22:06:01 GMT
Amazing Charlie, can you please let us have it again with the strings. Brian I'll second that. Scott |
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