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Post by gorgeousgeorge on Feb 27, 2009 10:19:49 GMT
I know this is principally a Shadows music site but I don't think many other surf bands were so heavy into echo as the Atlantics and as I'm in the process of converting my musicassette of this great aussie surf band into mp3 ,I'm re-discovering after many years Jim Skiathitis' incredible echoes and effects derived, truly well ahead of his time.A question to Charlie (and whoever else is in the know) are most Shadows/Atlantics echoes based on triple head configuration? What great memories of Maroubra where I lived from 60-66 their music invoke!Surf's up down round 'n round with a mighty thud on the beach...oh those sand burns!
Have a happy day all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2009 13:11:10 GMT
HI GEORGE,, I am an old fan of the ''atlantic's my-self & they used an ''echolette'' in the early at least recording's [which I like better]but not on there latest ones ,,& jim was very good in my book & I have just bought there'' backing-track-tab-book bundle'' & there greatest hit's cd ,I posted the web address for them on the site here ... I used to see them on ''TV'' in the black&white day's..   cheers .........to all .............barry.. [ps]gorgeous-george,you old surfie ,,THAT thread on the atlantic's is in the ''off-topic disscussion,,section,the site is well worth a look... |
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Post by gorgeousgeorge on Feb 27, 2009 20:48:12 GMT
Hi Barry yeah I thought I'd seen a thread on them but when i inserted atlantics in the search mask I got a nil return.Sorry I didn't mean to steal your thunder(from down under).If a moderator wants to move this thread it's fine by me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2009 22:34:58 GMT
HI GEORGE,, ,well george you never stole my thunder mate it,s nice to see the ''atlantic's getting some interest because they had a ''unique-sound'' especially in there day & what's good is they are still performing !!!!!!! THERE ''best of cd is a cracker ,with all the original hit's they had & like you I have there cassette, as well but it has gotten a bit ''seedy'' over the years etc etc.. WELL mate youre one up on me as I never ''surfed'' at all !!!!!!! as ''speedway'' was my thing , but 3 -4 years ago decided to take up the guitar & have now the gear but need a lot of learnige to do!!! ..
CHEERS george from one ''aussie'' to another ......................barry..
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Post by SPIKE on Feb 27, 2009 22:51:30 GMT
Hi G.George
Not to forget Theo Penklis the other lead guitarist at the time back then who was involved in compositions and choice of echoes.
Did you know that for War of the Worlds Jim used two Klempt Echolettes to achieve that interesting echo along with his array of pedals to create some interesting special effect sounds.
In modern Atlantics, Martin Cilia has brought a modern Atlantics surf sound which is truly brilliant.
I must also add that not too many drummers have the ability to do what Peter Hood can do behind those drums. We have members playing Atlantic tunes along with Shadows but, nobody in Perth can drum to the tune Bombora....and we have some really good drummers. Peter Hood is a legend.
I was invited to be their roadie for a Chris Isaac concert a few years ago in Perth and mate...they sounded awesome. Jim uses 13's or 14's on his original Fender which he hits harder and different to any other player in the business. Neither Martin not Jim used echo machines, but simple delay pedals along with original guitars and AC30's. Jim had an array of pedals for his special effects and during the time he used a motor bike effect, it sounded like their was a motor bike in the concert hall....it was so real.
Yep....the Atlantics were and still are Australias #1 surf group.
Spike
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2009 4:37:05 GMT
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Post by gorgeousgeorge on Feb 28, 2009 15:33:08 GMT
@ hoadlies thanks for getting me off the hook but I think it's the apostrophy you put in the band's name which the search filter got fooled on no probs anyway.btw I'm 53 and still learning music since the age of 10.It never ends, always a new challenge, lovely. @ spike Im trying to put a band together to play surf 'n sixties instrumental stuff and the first thing I looked for was.....a drummer and I thank the Lord I found one locally (remember I'm in the N.E. Italy) who can actually play the drum solos of WipeOut ,Bombora and the Savage and guess how old he is....62. An absolute demon with a vintage Ludwig kit.When I audition drummers if they can't play WipeOut etc they're right out....the door!It's a shame young drummers aren't taught to play drum rolls, that's all it is.They hold the sticks incorrectly and want to immediately do grooves. If anyone's interested this is what I did a long time ago back in the early 90's profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=336561919 |
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Post by Charlie Hall on Feb 28, 2009 20:01:10 GMT
Very interesting work from the 90's by the liburnia project. Some good playing and production and recording.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by gorgeousgeorge on Feb 28, 2009 20:16:21 GMT
 charlie but back to my first query, how many pb heads are there in those old echo units please?Has anyone heard good things on these Danelectro Reel Tape Echo Simulator? cheers all |
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Post by Charlie Hall on Feb 28, 2009 21:20:45 GMT
In the Klemt Echolette, there are 3 record heads (each head can have the level set with a panel control) and 2 playback heads, which can be one or both. The motor can run at 2 different speeds.
As far as I can tell, the faster speed with the 2nd and 3rd record heads and probably one play head is the sound. I am checking it out later.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by Charlie Hall on Feb 28, 2009 22:48:50 GMT
I was wrong, it is the 3rd record head with both playback heads giving delay times of 265 and 319. As far as I remember the feedback would come from both playback heads. The motor at fast speed gives these times.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2009 22:55:43 GMT
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Post by SPIKE on Feb 28, 2009 23:44:37 GMT
Hi George
So you were the lead guitarist with the WET-TONES? The band is fantastic!!
I love the sound of that Fender Jaguar.
I once tried one in a music shop out of interest and it had heaps of TWANG.
The sound of the WET-TONES is very surfy and at times reminds me of The Atlantics...especially "mucho reverbo", which sounds close to one of Martin Cilia's recent album recordings with the slow plucky muting.
Spike
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Post by Charlie Hall on Mar 1, 2009 0:29:57 GMT
Just listening to the Wet Tones now, great! I missed it before, until Spike mentioned the name.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by SPIKE on Mar 1, 2009 2:29:18 GMT
Hey Charlie
I wonder if George has seen any spare Drum Meazzi's floating about in N.E. Italy....ha ha ha ;D ;D ;D
Spike
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Post by Charlie Hall on Mar 1, 2009 2:48:44 GMT
Hi Spike,
If it's anything like the situation where the Japanese collectors buy most of the old Strats then I doubt it!
Have you seen any Meazzis, George?
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by gorgeousgeorge on Mar 1, 2009 10:13:19 GMT
Dear gents I have to immediately straighten something out.I am not a current member of the Wet-Tones but only played with them for a period in the early 90's.I am not in that photo of the Wet-Tones in the myspace page linked above. Brunornr is lead guitarist and it is he at the top of the photo.btw they played an excellent support gig to Los Straitjackets a fortnight ago in Trieste.I thank you all for your compliments but as they say in show biz "you're only as good as your last record" and mine was a long long time ago!Then....... @ Charlie thanks for that info very interesting indeed (not that I'm going to build one tomorrow!) SPIKE go here for your meazzi supershop www.mercatinomusicale.com/ann/search.asp?ns=1&rg=&pv=&kw=meazzi&rp=&ct=&st=&__IDRegProv=&ob=datacheers all |
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Post by SPIKE on Mar 1, 2009 10:25:24 GMT
Thanks for this thread George. Also thanks for your link to Meazzi's. I currently own a Meazzi PA 306, but never use as I have a TVS3 that gets exactly the same preamp sound but has a lot of extra features that the Meazzi doesnt.....and less worries about heads, motors and tapes breaking down. My Meazzi does work but I am looking to sell it one of these days.....maybe  Spike |
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Post by john44 on Jun 29, 2009 9:37:23 GMT
Hi to Charlie ,George, Barry, Spike and everyone
The best and most popular echo unit available at the time in Australia was the klempt echolette and watching the atlantics live they were sensational to see perform WE used to try and emulate them we played bombora , the crusher and some of the lesser known numbers and people were very kind to and applauded but we lacked the skill then . As I remember there were no other effects units around at the time but the klempt and the cheaper and not as good watkins copy cat . Having seen them again in the new format they are still excellent and Martin Cilla has added a new dimension One of his numbers Twelve bar blues ) I will have to look up the cd does not sound like twelve bar blues. In australia we had the shadows , ventures ,tornadoes surfaries from overseas Plus the atlantics The Denvermen The Joyboys numbers to cover which gave all our local bands a tremendous reportoire of instrumentals to perform. I would recommend everyone to check out the DenvermenS Surfide on u tube a sleepwalk style tune
Cheers John44
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2009 14:25:07 GMT
HI JOHN44... they were good although I only ever saw them on TV live ''real-raw-use -of echo etc but a unique sound not ''bettered'' in the surf band's world wide !!!...
We had some good groups here in ''OZ'' but if they never made it ''over-sea's'' the world did not see or hear them!!!!,''bombora'' got the atlantic's over sea's!!! it's still played in surf-video's etc from time to time ...
CHEERS barry..
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Post by john44 on Jun 30, 2009 10:41:22 GMT
HEY barry
I personally reckon the Atlantics had the first original Australian music sound and were pioneers in sound experimentation ( like Bombora, Crusher. War Of The Worlds .) and set the standard from then on.Did you ever listen to or see The Denvermen they were initially Digger revells backing group, before having a string of surfing hits themselves. Surfside a sleepwalk style with the sound of the surf in the background, Lisa Marie fantastic use of Klempt echolette Avalon stomp (which a lot of people said was a pinch of Shindig ) Surfside is available on utube. Les Green used a gibson 335 to obtain what was a classic surf guitar sound crisp. clean and a strong melody line
cheers John44
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Post by Len on Jun 30, 2009 13:02:19 GMT
Hi All
I remember the Atlantics but was never really a fan of their and didn't really go for surf music bands at that time.
I don't want to start another thread about this but does anyone remember a Sydney Shadows cover or Shadows imitation band called The Midnights? I remember going into a Sydney city concrete walled basement near the Lyceum where this band played. I went with the Youth Club. OK, it was a long time ago. I thought they were quite good and very very loud. The concrete walls only added to that.
Cheers
Len
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2009 13:15:46 GMT
I have only heard ''OF'' the denvermen john I will have a listen to them!!!!
In SA there was a group called the drifter's barry macaskills backing band & they had the shads sound down pat with a home built by[ the father of the lead player ] tape-echo built into the top of his h/built amp 2x12'' ,I was shown one nite after one of there ''gig's at rowley-park ,& was most surprised to see all of the tape head's etc ,It started my h/built tape echo attemps...
CHEERS mate & all echo-heads...............barry..
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Post by john44 on Jul 2, 2009 10:03:41 GMT
Hi Charlie and everyone
Its a bugga getting old its thirty five years plus since I had my Klempt echolette I cant even remember how many heads it had or what controls . I do remember that the large middle knob pulled out and I think I doubled the repeat. I know that I used this on a denvermen number titled Lisa Marie a great surf instrumental . I left my echolette at a electronics shop and when I went back to collect it the shop and the owner had disappeared along with my echolette
cheers john44
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Post by Charlie Hall on Jul 2, 2009 12:56:08 GMT
Hi John,
The Echolette had 3 record heads and 2 playback heads. The record head recording levels could be individually controlled, and one or both playback heads could be selected. The speed control doubled the speed in the fast setting.
Sorry to hear that you lost yours in that way all that time ago. I could say you really have to be careful these days, but it's always been like that.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by joeboy on Jul 2, 2009 13:20:46 GMT
Hi George Totally off topic, I have just come across this thread, re: you first post mentioning your time in Maroubra. I lived in Maroubra Junction in the late 60s early 70s, I spent many days on Maroubra beach in my youth, I never ever cracked the surfing bit though. Happy memories I live in the UK now |
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Post by john44 on Jul 4, 2009 23:19:26 GMT
Hi Barry
How did you go building your own tape echo unit you must be a electronic guru I look at the wiring etc on these units and just scratch my head and give up. A mate of mine tells me that he saw les paul perform a long time ago and he had a tape echo unit in his amp some fourty ,fifty, something years ago , he was a great inventor if you get the cahnce get hold of the dvd Chasing Sound its about Les paul and has him playing at his 90th birthday with Tommmy Emmanuel .I think we all have had many influences on our guitar work and styles,my thoughts on the development of the electric guitar and playing styles is simple . Les Paul gave us the electric guitar, Duane Eddy gave the guitar some balls and Hank Marvin gave the guitar a voice . There have been a lot of very good guitarists since and some are better technicians then my heros but these three guys were great inovators in the use of the electric guitar and gave us what we have today cheers john44
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