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Post by russ on Mar 26, 2009 20:48:01 GMT
Hi I am new to this so please be patient. I have a Zoom RFX1000 an electric guitar and an amp. I would like to know if the RFX1000 can be set up to re create the Hank Marvin sounds, and do I need any other equipment. I have heard it can. I once found some preset settings for it on line but can't find them again. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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Post by Charlie Hall on Mar 26, 2009 22:36:51 GMT
Hi Russ,
Welcome to the site. I don't think that the RFX-1000 has the multitap delays necessary for Hank and Shadows echoes. Even on the RFX-2000 (where it is possible) the multitap delays are hidden in what is called the Extra Bank, and can only be edited by computer with the RFX-2000 editor program.
The RFX-1000 does have a single tap delay which I think should be adjustable for delay time and feedback. It also has delay + reverb at the same time which could be useful to mask the fact that you would only have one delay tap, a method used by some players who don't have the exact right echo settings, but the manual is not clear about what is actually adjustable on the delay + reverb setting. It does say that feedback is not adjustable.
There are two useful ways of setting a single delay tap relative to the tempo to suit this music. One is setting it so that it is in time with each beat, the other is to set the delay so that it falls around 3/4 to 5/6 of each beat ie, a bit shorter than the length of the beat. This is the basis of the Wonderful Land type of echo (main tap to around 360ms) but that does have 3 other taps as well, which gives the trickling effect on damped notes. The feedback should be set so that you hear about 4 repeats. You won't get a suitable echo for Apache or some other earlier tunes with using only a single delay tap, mainly because on that early material Hank used a different echo unit using up to 4 or possibly even 5 heads, which had a very unusual spacing.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by russ on Mar 27, 2009 20:04:12 GMT
Thanks I will try and work out what you are on about. I am sure that if I get stuck, It's nice to know someone is here to help. Oh and by the way, I have been given a Danelectro Fab Echo pedal if that is any good to add in the loop somewhere. Don't know. As I said all new to me.
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Post by Charlie Hall on Mar 27, 2009 20:46:47 GMT
Intersting effects can be obtained by chaining two delays together and setting two (or more if the Danelectro has more than one) different delay times but setting up to get the right sort of sounds could be tricky. Generally you will get the best results by having the most feedback on the longer delay, but it can work well the other way round too.
You can try connecting the guitar into the pedal, then connect its output into the RFX-1000 input.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by russ on Apr 22, 2009 21:23:55 GMT
Hi Charlie, I have tried what you suggested and it worked to a fashon, a bit fiddly, not brilliant but not just right. I have since been told that the RFX2000 may be better as it has built in eftp patches already, or you can put them on and they will help me.. Before I go ahead and try to get one , is this true. If not, could you advise me on the right patch or patches to get and how,or a unit I should get. I know that it would cost a lot of money ( i'm not that rich yet) to get all the right equipment, then it helps if you can play, but we all start somewhere. I have an electric guitar( not a strat, unless you know where i can get a cheap one ha ha) and amp. At the end of the day I am just starting out so any help would be great. Thanks for your time. Russ
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Post by BarryH on Apr 22, 2009 21:34:17 GMT
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Post by rhando on Apr 22, 2009 22:44:10 GMT
Hi Russ,
If you are just starting out I think you might want to look at the Zoom G2. It is a relatively simple thing to use and is reasonably priced (in North America anyway) I'm not sure of the prices in the UK.
Charlie will email you the patches for a small charge and you simply follow his instructions and "dial" them in.
The sound is pretty good!!
You can always move on to a more expensive unit after, if you choose.
The Zoom G2 is a really flexible machine and fun to play around with.
Check it out !!
Good luck.
Ray.
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Post by Charlie Hall on Apr 22, 2009 23:27:55 GMT
Hi Russ,
You can get the right echoes from the RFX-2000 but in my opinion they aren't the best unit for it, the echoes don't have much scope for EQ to get an accurate echo voicing, there again the G2 is limited too, but it seems to have a slightly warmer echo sound than the RFX-2000. As Ray says, the Zoom G2 is pretty good, and it seems to sell at around £79 in the UK at the moment. My programs for the G2 would cost £15 and would have to be programmed manually by you from settings on a sheet.
Better than either of those two in my opinion would be a Yamaha Magicstomp pedal, but they are becoming hard to find as they were discontinued a while back. Some players prefer the G2, however. There are almost always various reasons why one unit would be preferred by some and not others. My preference is to get the echoes sounding as good as possible, regardless of other reasons.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by russ on Apr 25, 2009 21:18:21 GMT
Hi Charlie. you're right about the Magicstomp, they are rarer than hens teeth, but I have found them for sale in the states. I am going to make some enquiries about getting one sent and how much tax I would have to pay. ..A friend of mine's dad has an RFX 2000 and has asked me to make him an offer, Might be ok for something to get start on. But before I go ahead . How do I get the patches, are they built in to start with or can you supply them and give me instructions on what to do. I also found this. Gemini III sslrelay.com/www.gemini3.eu...Have you had any reports on it. Please let me know. Cheers and thanks for the help so far. I know I will get there eventually. Russ |
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Post by BarryH on Apr 25, 2009 21:24:24 GMT
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Post by ha2he on Apr 25, 2009 22:11:19 GMT
Hi Russ,
I guess this is a well trodden path for most of us on this site.
The most important place to start to my mind is the echo and Charlie is certainly the man to guide through the equipment available.
I was lucky enough to buy a Yamaha Magicstomp before the prices went through the roof, and even at todays prices I think I could justify owning one.
It has helped amazingly with my playing by hearing the correct echo sounds.
I'm sure other echo units will be useful, if you have something in mind and you mention it here you'll get good advice.
Regards,
Tim.
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Post by Charlie Hall on Apr 26, 2009 1:33:38 GMT
Hi Russ,
No unit has the right echoes already programmed into it, apart from the TVS systems from Australia, which might be out of the price range you are thinking of.
I supply patches for a number of units for the owner to install. The easiest is the G2 if you don't mind programming it manually from settings I can supply. The Magicstomp also has one advantage because it requires only a USB cable to transfer data from a computer to the pedal. With other units, you would need a USB to MIDI adaptor with MIDI cables.
I charge £40 for the RFX-2000 programs, and £25 for the Magicstomp programs. I charge less for the Magicstomp for 2 reasons, one is to compete with someone else who sells programs for the same price, the other is because I didn't spend too long writing the programs.
The RFX units have a fairly low input impedance for guitar use, which will cause some treble loss, this can be corrected by using an effects pedal (with the effect switched off unless needed). The Gemini III would also serve the purpose of impedance matching and it helps by giving better tones (it reduces bass) for the earlier Shadows tunes.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by russ on May 7, 2009 20:21:01 GMT
Hi charlie, I have managed to get hold of a Zoom G2 from e-bay. Should be here in a few days. Looks ok but time will tell. Might take a while to work out how to use it. Can you let me know how I aquire the patches and info of what to do. Cheers. Russ.
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Post by Charlie Hall on May 7, 2009 20:32:20 GMT
Hi Russ,
Please email me charliehallATntlworld.com (replacing AT with @), then I will send you all the info you need.
I will however be away playing for two days from tomorrow.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by russ on May 31, 2009 21:26:57 GMT
Hi, and thanks for the patches. They sound cool. You were right. did take me a while to put them on, but worth it. I managed to work out how to store them, now all i have to do is practice. Can anyone recomend a middle of the road guitar and amp for starting on. I have only a cheap set at the moment. It is a G 10 amp and cheap Fender Starcaster shape guitar they have the name Burswood on them if that helps. how can you tell if it is any good and what to look for when thinking of buying another one. Thanks.
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Post by Charlie Hall on Jun 1, 2009 0:37:24 GMT
Hi Russ,
Glad to know you are pleased with the patches.
There are several models of amps and guitars to choose from that I don't know where to start. Perhaps a Mexican made vintage style Strat with alnico pickups, and a Vox amp of which the price range is from one extreme to the other. The guitar should play well and have a good acoustic tone and ring, then it should be a decent sounding guitar.
Regards,
Charlie
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