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Post by twang46 on May 12, 2009 19:00:18 GMT
Hi all
Anybody know anything about these amps ?
Looks similar to the Fender 600, but with el84 o/put & 8" speaker
Very tempting prices & just waiting to be "modded"
Cheers
Dick
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Post by Charlie Hall on May 12, 2009 20:56:20 GMT
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Post by olemuso on May 12, 2009 22:32:31 GMT
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Post by twang46 on May 12, 2009 23:11:18 GMT
Thanks for the link Charlie, which I had already looked at. I'm always a bit wary of Harmony Central reviews when there's only a few posted as the "scores" seem to vary so much that I think you need a minimum of about 30 or so to get a "true" overall picture. I think if I can get a one for less than £50 I'll go with it on the basis that it will sound different enough to my Fender 600 to be worthwhile.  Cheers Dick. |
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Post by Charlie Hall on May 12, 2009 23:37:05 GMT
Hi Ian,
Thanks, I have modified my post.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2009 8:00:38 GMT
Hi Dick,
I would be very carefull of an amp that has no tone control, I believe it would be extremely restrictive. I've had a few small amps including the Vox DA5 which is'nt bad but just the one tone control was limiting. I have a micro spider now but I can get different tone variations on the clean channel as it has Bass, mid and treble knobs. I am looking for a small amp myself with valves but there is'nt much around unless you up the wattage. Unfortunately that means annoying er in doors.
Tony
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Post by didier on May 14, 2009 8:38:32 GMT
Hi Dick, I would be very carefull of an amp that has no tone control, I believe it would be extremely restrictive. I've had a few small amps including the Vox DA5 which is'nt bad but just the one tone control was limiting. Why not use external EQ for tone control, there are some cheap EQ pedals such as the Behringer EQ700... Didier |
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Post by bill on May 14, 2009 12:32:12 GMT
Hi Dick, <snip> I am looking for a small amp myself with valves but there is'nt much around unless you up the wattage. Unfortunately that means annoying er in doors. Tony What wattage are you looking for Tony? There are quite a few small amps around e.g. Epiphone Valve Junior, Harley Benton GA5, Fender Champ 600, Blackstar HT5, Blackheart BH5, Peavey Royal 8, Vox AC4TV, Vox DA5 (OK the last isn't a valve amp). A five watt valve amp can still produce a fair bit of noise if that's what you mean. What about an Egnator Rebel (switchable) or Blackheart Killer Ant (1 W). |
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Post by twang46 on May 14, 2009 17:15:52 GMT
Hi Dick, I would be very carefull of an amp that has no tone control, I believe it would be extremely restrictive. I've had a few small amps including the Vox DA5 which is'nt bad but just the one tone control was limiting. I have a micro spider now but I can get different tone variations on the clean channel as it has Bass, mid and treble knobs. I am looking for a small amp myself with valves but there is'nt much around unless you up the wattage. Unfortunately that means annoying er in doors. Tony Hi Tony We are both in the same boat amp wise. I've got a great amp that can run either 6v6 or 6l6 o/put valves but as it knocks out close to 25w with the 6l6's, it doesn't go down very well at home at anything past 1.5 on the loud knob.  I've got a Champ600 & it's great (after some mods) but, as it uses a 6v6 o/put valve (& I removed all tone components as part of the mods) it is a little "smooth" even with an Ampworks in front, & not to great for the early "Shads" type sound. The attraction of the Peavey is the el84 o/put stage, (& it will benefit from some modding as well I imagine ;D) Now, the new AC4 looks very good but pricey at around £189 for the combo, so there's another road to go down. I'm sure an outboard eq as has been mentioned already will easily fix the lack of on-board tone controls so I wouldn't worry to much about about no "tone" controls Cheers Dick. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2009 20:33:27 GMT
To Didier,
Looked at the Behringer on GAK at £24. Not bad at all, thanks I'll bare that in mind.
To Bill,
I did'nt realise there was that many actually, thanks for highlighting them, I'll investigate.
To Dick,
Now that the outboard EQ has been mentioned I suppose the Peavey could be attractive, however I did once have a Boss GE7 EQ which I thought coloured the original signal and was noisy once the faders were activated \so I've steered clear ever since.
But I'll see what happens now.
Thanks Tony
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Post by Charlie Hall on May 15, 2009 4:12:20 GMT
Hi Tony,
I also found the Boss GE-7 to be noisy. They must all be like that.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by didier on May 15, 2009 7:32:21 GMT
There are quite a few small amps around e.g. Epiphone Valve Junior, Harley Benton GA5, Fender Champ 600, Blackstar HT5, Blackheart BH5, Peavey Royal 8, Vox AC4TV, Vox DA5 (OK the last isn't a valve amp). A five watt valve amp can still produce a fair bit of noise if that's what you mean. What about an Egnator Rebel (switchable) or Blackheart Killer Ant (1 W). I once heard a Harley Benton GA5 at a club meeting, and although the room wasn't very large, it wasn't loud enough to play with a drummer. The owner said he liked the sound at home, so it's for practice only. Things can be improved with another speaker with higher sensivity (8" guitar speakers never have a very high sensivity). Some of these 5W valve amps are available in "head" form, so you can use them with a larger and higher sensivity external speaker. Didier |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2009 8:24:49 GMT
Its actually a nightmare as a bedroom player ( that is small room really) to achieve a quality clean sound. What happens is that most of the big amps which will do the business wont do it at low volume, the lower you go the frequencies get lost especially the high's.
So you go for the smaller micro practice amps but in turn thats what they are, just for practice, which means important controls like EQ are removed for budget reasons, so one is constantly on the lookout for the ideal budget amp.
The other important factor is the Echo unit.
I have to say that I like Charlies EFTP patches and have got used to them in the last 4 years or so and can tell when I'm not on the correct one, its the direct guitar sound from the unit used that is difficult.
I found the Magic stomp guitar signal too thin, on the other hand the Zoom 2200 was much duller. The G2 has great EQ but the echoes are not as good as the Alesis GT that I have stuck with now. Although the guitar with the GT is bright the EQ facility on the Line 6 Micro spider compensates ok.
However, always trying to improve on one's sound I was attracted with this thread by the recommendations of a warmer sound of the valve amp.
Regards Tony ( I might send for all the amps mentioned by Bill3 and pop 'em on my expences)
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Post by martyn on Jun 2, 2009 10:26:49 GMT
I found the Magic stomp guitar signal too thin . . . I think I know what you mean, having experienced the same problem but now I'm feeding it through a TonelabST using the latter's Hall reverb on quite a minimal setting but it's just enough to add a mellower, warmer sound to the M/stomp's effects. Particularly noticeable on headphones and not being overly technically minded, I'm wondering if it's actually splitting the M/stomp's mono input signal and its own Reverb channel and combining these to create a stereo output effect thus (at least on headphones) giving a much fuller surround-sound, weightier effect? |
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Post by Charlie Hall on Jun 2, 2009 10:41:20 GMT
A number of people have mentioned the thin sound of the Magicstomp direct signal. What is not clear is whether this happens with all Magicstomps as I did not notice a difference on the one I programmed. There is nothing in the analogue circuits of the Magicstomp that would cause the sound to be thin.
It could be worth checking each output for DC voltage, and there was a long thread here a while back that discussed this possible fault condition. To check the output for DC simply plug in a guitar cable to the output and measure the voltage across the signal and earth (ground) of the jack at the other end with a digital meter set to the 20 volts DC scale. A fault condition typically shows a reading of around 6 volts.
It was found that faulty output muting transistors can cause DC at the corresponding output. The cure is to replace (or remove) the faulty transistor(s). They must be replaced with the same or exact equivalent transistor as they are specially designed to have a low resistance when muting the signal during power up.
I have a pdf file of the Magicstomp Mk II service manual if anyone wants a copy.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by themase on Jun 2, 2009 14:41:44 GMT
Hi Charlie please could you Email me the PDF file for the magicstomp,i had one off the well known auction site but the display is garbled i don't if spares can be obtained,did you also have the patches for the 508. Thanks John.
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Post by Charlie Hall on Jun 2, 2009 15:43:11 GMT
Hi John,
I have emailed you the Magicstomp service manual and the 508 files.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by ly on Jun 3, 2009 6:40:36 GMT
Hi Charlie
Can you email to me the Magicstomp service manual too?
Thanks
ly47@netvision.net.il
ly
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Post by Charlie Hall on Jun 3, 2009 9:48:31 GMT
Hi Ly,
I have emailed you the Magicstomp service manual.
Regards,
Charlie
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ly
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Post by ly on Jun 3, 2009 9:56:58 GMT
Hi Charlie
Thanks
LY
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