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Post by guitarcolonel on Mar 11, 2014 11:19:35 GMT
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Post by Steve Reynolds on Mar 11, 2014 11:49:07 GMT
I think this was an edition that one of the London guitar shops brought out as a special limited edition run. It was suppose to be a replica of the original strat however it has what looks like a flame maple neck rather than Birdseye. Music ground I think it was
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Post by guitarcolonel on Mar 11, 2014 12:55:08 GMT
Thanks for that
But I still cannot find information on this guitar...the signature looks different from others I have seen
puzzling
Any further info would be great
Thanks
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Post by shadowkarl on Mar 11, 2014 13:13:02 GMT
Hi guitar-colonel
I think the most profound source for that is Scouserjoe. I can remember, that this guitar was already once dealt with in another thread here.
Regards
Shadowkarl
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Post by Airhostess. on Mar 11, 2014 13:59:10 GMT
Hi Guitar Colonel,
Shadowkarl,is correct about Scouserjoe,and the definitive versions of Strats He has so much Data on these things, the only way to get a positive answer on this is to perhaps PM him or maybe another member here can point you to his posts on here about HBM and the versions of those Strats, the only thing I can come up with from my Stratocaster book is......any guitar with a serial number beginning with either CN (and 6 numbers) or VN (and 6 numbers) is..... and I quote....."Korean made Fender/Squier guitars(dating unclear)" end quote....... hope this helps..... but best to contact Scouserjoe.
Best wishes
Kay
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Post by Stu's Dad on Mar 11, 2014 16:21:13 GMT
Guitarcolonel,
Have a look at the thread immediately above yours in the listing.
regards,
Len
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Post by eltrasero on Mar 11, 2014 16:32:51 GMT
The only Fenders with an official HMB signature on the head were the Squier, Fender Japan and the Fender Custom shop models, of which there are many. The one you have pictured appears to me to be a Fender Custom Shop Strat which has possibly had the HBM signature added. Like you say, it does not look like any of the official Fender HBM signatures. I have owned the Squier, Japan and USA Custom Shop versions and none had a signature that looked like the one in your photos.
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Post by John M. on Mar 11, 2014 23:22:43 GMT
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Post by guitarcolonel on Mar 12, 2014 0:03:20 GMT
Thanks everyone... Yes the signature does not look correct CN serials...yep they were used on custom shop guitars in the 90s, john page era....I've had a few through the shop...(FYI on the 'shop', easy enough to figure out from my forum name, but I'm not here for self promotion  Anyway, I've messaged Scouserjoe...see if he gets back to me cheers |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 16:20:44 GMT
Hi Everyone,
Thank you 'Guitarcolonel' for your private message; rather than reply directly I decided to respond here so that those who have contributed to your thread can also see this reply. I am sorry that I haven't replied sooner but as other members may be aware I am principally an active mountaineer and photographer living in the Highlands and my attention is often elsewhere (particularly when the weather is so good as it is at the moment) so I have only just logged in to the site and seen your posting.
From the information I can obtain from the images you have provided, this guitar looks something of a 'rogue item' to me. It is certainly NOT an official, Fender Custom Shop authorised Hank Marvin Signature Stratocaster. If you have been offered this item for sale as such, then I would question the seller very seriously about its origins and its provenance.
There are three 'official' Hank Marvin Custom Shop Stratocasters, and one 'official' Shadows' Stratocaster. The official Hank Marvin models are The Signature, The Autograph and The 40th Anniversary. Then there is the Shadows 50th Anniversary Stratocaster commissioned through Fender by Oasis Music (Often known as the 'Oasis Stratocaster'). These are described in detail and illustrated on my guide which is available as a PDF download from elsewhere on this site.
There was no official Hank Marvin Custom Shop Stratocaster issued in 1997. The Signature first appeared in 1992, The Autograph in 1995 and the 40th Anniversary in 1998.
Again, I can only make comments from what I can see from the images, but the issues that concern me most about this guitar (of which there are many) are as follows :-
1. The signature on the headstock looks to be a forgery. In addition, this type of signature only appears on Japanese built Signature and Squier models, not on the Custom Shop models. The Official HBM Custom Shop models have a much darker and stronger signature applied to the wood. The one on this guitar appears to be a transfer (from what I can judge from the photo).
2. All Official HBM Custom Shop models are fitted with Sperzel or Fender locking tuners. This has ordinary tuners - and a string tree - which is also non-standard.
3. All Official HBM Custom Shop models have a single oval cut out on the back plate - not the six individual string holes as shown in your illustration.
4. All Official HBM Custom Shop models have 22 frets, not 21 (Apart from the Oasis model which this clearly is not)
5. All Official HBM Custom Shop models have a teflon nut (which is black) not the standard nut which is bone (which is what this appears to be)
6. The Official HBM Custom Shop Signature and Autograph models have a modern bridge, not a vintage bridge as fitted to this guitar. The 40th Anniversary had a vintage bridge, but this guitar is certainly not one of those either !
7. The neck does not appear to be a bird's eye patterned neck - ALL official models have this feature.
8. I cannot see the reverse of the neck properly, but there does not appear to be any series number. ie. 035, or 120, or 05 of 40, or something to indicate the item's unique number in the limited run.
9. Obviously I cannot comment on the pick-ups, but all Hank's limited edition models were fitted with specific pick-up types wired in such a way as to give special combinations controlled with a push-pull switch on the second tone control. These were Di Marzio and Seymour Duncan on the Signature/Autograph models and Kinmans on the 40th Anniversary.
10. Finally, the COA is not consistent with any I have seen for any Official HBM Custom Shop Signature and Autograph models. Custom Shop models do not usually have serial numbers of this length - well, mine don't anyway - although I bow to those who may know better than I. One thing I do know for sure and that is HBM Signature Stratocasters do NOT have standard serial numbers - they simply have its identifying number from the series ie. 035, or 120, or 05 of 40
My theory about this one is therefore …
This could (and I only say could) be a special item commissioned in 1997 as a 'one-off' by a dealer. Whether it is truly a Custom Shop model or whether the COA is a forgery - I cannot tell.
Yes, as some have suggested, this might be an 'attempted' replica of Hank's original 1959 Stratocaster (not 1958), but it is certainly NOT an official HBM Custom Shop Signature model - nor I suggest does it have any official link with Hank Marvin.
If you are satisfied that this IS a genuine Fender Custom Shop Model which has been individually commissioned, then that is fine. However, I would not call it an 'official' Hank Marvin Stratocaster. The link with the master is tenuous - no more than a sales ploy, I feel.
I hope this helps to answer your queries.
All the best
Ian
(AKA ScouserJoe)
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Post by sheendigs on Mar 12, 2014 16:39:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 16:57:15 GMT
Hi,
If the signature looks like it's been copied from a Burns model (where it is engraved into the bridge unit), then that's proof positive that someone has added it post manufacture and that the guitar has nothing to do with Hank Marvin other than it being something of a look-alike of 34346.
Cheers
Ian
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Post by guitarcolonel on Mar 13, 2014 0:59:15 GMT
Hi everyone
Thanks for this information....I'm guessing its a Custom Shop 1958, from 1997, on which the owner has added a decal.....
I have not had it in my hands as yet, but if so I'll open the neck and pickups for some pictures.
Will post more shortly
Regards
Anthony
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2014 10:58:17 GMT
It's a Custom Shop "58" Strat for definite. In 1997 they came with a flamed neck. I know because I owned one. The not very good HBM decal must have been added...
Spec:
Alder Body 10/56 "V" Neck Shape 21 Frets Medium Jumbo Frets 9.5" Radius .880" @ 1st fret .980" @ 12th fret 1- Piece Maple Neck 1.65" Nut width 25.5" scale 60 Strat® Pickups RWRP middle pickup 5 position blade switch Nickel/Chrome Hardware American Vintage Synchronized Trem. Fender/Gotoh Vintage Style Machine Heads
Jim
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