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Post by scanners on Dec 23, 2015 3:27:42 GMT
Hi Charlie,
I was trying to make The Edges setting for Pride, I used modern delay, head 6 at 419ms what I read it was. It sounded close, and I thought it must have been my playing why it wasn't quite right, then I discovered the feed back was at -12db, a bit too much, I wound it back to -3 what you had on one of the other Edge delay settings, and it sounded much better, is that what you reckon would be right?
Thank You
Matthew
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Post by John Collins on Dec 23, 2015 7:45:16 GMT
Hi Matt, Just as a matter of interest, the Level settings in the editing fields of the H&C are attenuation, and have negative dB values. A setting of 0dB is the highest level you can have, and a setting of -3dB is 3db lower than the maximum, and -12dB will be attenuating the signal another 9dB. So that when you changed the head 6 feedback from -12dB to -3dB, you have actually INCREASED the amount of feedback signal from that head by 9dB. Hope that makes sense  I assume it is patch 63 that you have been working on. If so, you will have increased the level of Head 6 feedback to the same as that of Head 5. If it sounds good, stick with it, I reckon! Cheers, John |
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Post by glenorchy on Dec 23, 2015 11:34:24 GMT
Hi Matthew,
Using guidance from a well known guitar lesson DVD about U2 songs, I use 2 delays: The first one is at 418ms, with about 4 repeats audible, and a second delay at 570ms (about 3-4 repeats audible). The chiming chords section will need something like an Octoverb/Verbzilla to achieve the correct sound.
Hope that helps.
Duncan
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Post by Charlie Hall on Dec 23, 2015 13:00:49 GMT
Hi Matthew,
I currently don't have access to my H&C so I will have a look at this when I can. If I forget, please remind me.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by Charlie Hall on Dec 23, 2015 20:11:57 GMT
Hi Matthew,
I have looked into it for you. Use patch P64 as a base, change the 450ms delay to 418ms, and change the 600ms delay to 557.3ms. Only change the delays I have specified and you can leave the other 4 alone. If you like the settings and want to keep them, save the patch to a location in the User Bank and rename it PRIDE in the lower row.
I think you might want some kind of chorus effect in addition but you will know if the delays sound right without a chorus effect.
Please let me know how it sounds as I'm not able to check it audibly for you at this time.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by scanners on Dec 24, 2015 0:07:12 GMT
Hi John yeah I realised that, after figuring that out. Thanks Charlie and Duncan, I'll give it a go I thought Pride was just 1 delay?
Matthew
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Post by scanners on Dec 24, 2015 0:12:22 GMT
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Post by scanners on Dec 24, 2015 0:59:29 GMT
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Post by John Collins on Dec 24, 2015 6:45:26 GMT
Yes, the iconic Slim Dusty - Australian country music doesn't get any more "Aussie" than that, mate ............ that song was quite a big hit for him too. Still love his "Pub with no Beer" classic. Cheers and Merry Christmas, John |
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Post by Charlie Hall on Dec 24, 2015 9:42:53 GMT
Hi Matthew,
Sometimes I hear things that others miss.
Anyway, I think I may have missed a setting. There is probably also a 150ms delay that should be changed to 139.3ms.
It is difficult to remember how some patches are programmed without the unit in front of me!
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by scanners on Dec 24, 2015 11:10:11 GMT
Hi Charlie, I tried your Pride setting and it sounded pretty good
Matthew
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Post by Charlie Hall on Dec 24, 2015 15:54:12 GMT
Hi Matthew,
That's good. I think I should have also specified a precise setting for the 418ms setting. The idea is to scale the 150ms, 450ms and 600ms delay times from the original patch U64 to exact 1/4, 3/4, and 1/1 ratios.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by Charlie Hall on Jan 6, 2016 16:37:34 GMT
Having looked at this again I now suggest using these settings as they are exact proportions of the factors mentioned earlier:
150ms change to 139.3ms
450ms change to 417.9ms
600ms change to 557.2ms
I will try these settings later and confirm that they work (or not)!
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by Charlie Hall on Jan 7, 2016 22:49:40 GMT
OK, I have tried the settings in my unit. There isn't a 600ms setting that needs changing (I told you I couldn't remember how I had programmed it!) so it is just H1 to change from 150ms to 139.3ms, and H6 to change from 450ms to 417.9ms. Changing those gives the sound I expected for Pride.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by ha2he on Jan 10, 2016 18:19:48 GMT
Hi Charlie, I have been following this with interest and I reckon this is bang on. For me the missing ingredient was the 139.3ms head. I was using 418ms alone which I have now changed. Must admit my old ears don't notice the 0.1ms difference  I'd be amazed if they did. Thanks Charlie. Regards, Tim. |
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Post by Charlie Hall on Jan 10, 2016 19:25:36 GMT
Hi Tim,
Thanks for your feedback. The reason for changing 418 to 417.9 is because 417.9 is exactly 3 x 139.3. I didn't actually test to hear if there was any difference. If there is, a slight phasing sound might be heard on regenerations with the 418 setting.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by ha2he on Jan 10, 2016 20:24:01 GMT
Hi Charlie,
You are welcome.
I did see somewhere how to calculate some echos with I think bpm/60, can't remember where now!
Regards,
Tim.
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Post by Charlie Hall on Jan 10, 2016 20:41:52 GMT
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Post by ha2he on Jan 10, 2016 21:50:55 GMT
Hi Charlie,
That's not the one I had in mind but it is far more user friendly.
Regards,
Tim.
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I'd be amazed if they did.