CubbyHoleStudio - Hall and Collins Echo Unit Demo

[CubbyHoleStudio]

Hi All, thought you might like to watch the latest CHS upload featuring Ian McCutcheon playing some classic Shadows numbers through the New Hall and Collins Signature Echo Unit.
Here is the YouTube link:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kBHh2NtxlI

John Stallard CHS.

[driftin]

that is great, pretty much nailed the sound. I am in the market for a new interface, does anyone know the exact model of focusrite used used ?

thanks and regards

les

[bernie]

Hi Les,
It's written that it's a Focusrite USB 6 interface - I'm pretty sure that it should be the 'Focusrite Saffire 6 USB'.
Regards,
Bernie

[driftin]

thanks Bernie............that's what I was pondering because the other one is a scarlett I believe and another one has got a number 2 after the name
and unfortunately I am soo low tech it sometimes hurts

again many thanks

regards

les

[noelford]

Well, I've never been an obsessive chaser of 'that sound' but, as a personal observation, whilst I like Ian's renditions, they don't sound very close the originals, as far as guitar tone is concerned, to me (which I assume was the purpose of the exercise). To be clear, I'm not talking about the echoes, simply the guitar tone. Just did a quick A/B comparison and Ian's tone is much, much brighter and lacks the mellow tone of the originals.

[asimmd]

Well I have to agree with Noel.

While the playing is of a high standard the tone of the guitar
seems to remain the same.

The only thing that changes is the echo patch.

Alan

[Charlie Hall]

Hi Noel and Alan,
Thanks. I am pleased that you both recognise that the echo is doing what it is supposed to. I suppose in that way the demo has some use for showing how the echo sounds respond with various guitar tones.
In case you didn't notice, the amp settings were the same for every tune played. I believe the idea was to keep the sound consistently the same throughout the demo, since the tunes fade in and out from one to another.
Regards,
Charlie

[noelford]

Yes, Charlie, absolutely no problem with the echoes and certainly not a criticism of the H&C unit. And not a criticism of Ian, either, just an observation.

I was actually responding to the earlier comment that Ian had 'nailed the sound'. For me, Ian's guitar tone was much brighter than that of the mellower originals (even to my abused high frequency-diminished ears!)

[sixchannel]

I think the purpose of the exercise was simply to demo the H&C on a standard amp setting for a variety of Shadows tunes.
Ian McC is a well known and well respected Shads player. Like many on this Forum I have seen and heard him play "Live" many times and he really does "nail" that sound when that is required.
Cheers
Ian

[noelford]

Yes, just to be absolutely clear, my comment only referred to the specific guitar tone on the demos, not to Ian's tone elsewhere (such as his excellent 'Workout' CDs). It was commented that the demo's nailed the tone, and I disagreed.

Sorry if I have given the impression I am criticising anyone - I am most certainly not.

Cheers

Noel

[sixchannel]

Jan 31, 2016 21:59:56 GMT noelford said:

Yes, just to be absolutely clear, my comment only referred to the specific guitar tone on the demos, not to Ian's tone elsewhere (such as his excellent 'Workout' CDs). It was commented that the demo's nailed the tone, and I disagreed.

Sorry if I have given the impression I am criticising anyone - I am most certainly not.

Cheers

Noel

Nah - we all still love you, Noel!
FWIW I disagreed with the Poster who thought he'd nailed the tone but one mans meat - - .
The video certainly served to demo the excellent echoes available on the H&C.
cheers
Ian

[Steve Reynolds]

Its a great demo, its not "The Sound" that we know and love but it shows how much is involved in making that sound.

Ian is a top notch player (as good as Hank) and he has an AC15 and a Hall and Collins but he doesn't sound like we expect now why is that? Assuming that was even the intention of the video. Tin Hat in place, answers on a postcard.

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Feb 2, 2016 10:03:36 GMT Steve Reynolds said:

Its a great demo, its not "The Sound" that we know and love but it shows how much is involved in making that sound.

Ian is a top notch player (as good as Hank) and he has an AC15 and a Hall and Collins but he doesn't sound like we expect now why is that? Assuming that was even the intention of the video. Tin Hat in place, answers on a postcard.

Hi Steve, I totally agree with your assessment, Ian's sound is 'sterile & glassy'.....quite odd really considering the gear that he is using.......
Maybe he will enlighten us?
Paul...

[Steve Reynolds]

Feb 2, 2016 10:07:56 GMT @paulgshaw said:

Feb 2, 2016 10:03:36 GMT Steve Reynolds said:

Its a great demo, its not "The Sound" that we know and love but it shows how much is involved in making that sound.

Ian is a top notch player (as good as Hank) and he has an AC15 and a Hall and Collins but he doesn't sound like we expect now why is that? Assuming that was even the intention of the video. Tin Hat in place, answers on a postcard.

Hi Steve, I totally agree with your assessment, Ian's sound is 'sterile & glassy'.....quite odd really considering the gear that he is using.......
Maybe he will enlighten us?
Paul...

Hi Paul, I think Ians sound is actually very much like Hanks sound on the later tours, its a generic sound and the fact the amp settings didnt change throughout i dont think it was intended to replicate "That Sound". What is interesting though and i have noticed it before is that the some people you can play something and they say yes you have nailed the sound when actually you may not have done to other peoples ears.

I often used to record at home and think wow that's a great sound i've nailed it there, and then its only when i then listen to the early records and i become disappointed as its actually no where near. Unless you compare side by side etc and use the same backing track lots of things can color the sound of what you have, its what makes the whole "That Sound" chase never ending.

Also to be honest i dont think i would ever want to get the sound as then there is nothing to aim for and thats part of the fun.

[Charlie Hall]

I think at least part of the reason is that the controls of the AC15 were set "flat". The problem with that is those settings are anything but flat. Turning the treble and bass controls all the way off is probably as close to flat as you can get on a Vox top boost channel.
With Vox amps I think the best way to set the controls is by ear, not the eyes.
Regards,
Charlie

[garyallen]

I don't see what all the fuss is about,to me anyway..the sound is clean,possibly played on light/slinky strings.It sort of reminds me of that CD by The Apaches, Anyone else have that CD ? Regards Gary

[johnsmith]

Thanks for the link. A joy to see Ian perform showing us what Charlie's unit can do.
I was pleased to see Ian plays "Shindig" the same way as I do LOL !
Regards,
John.