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Post by sheendigs on Aug 13, 2009 10:14:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2009 12:17:03 GMT
HI SHEENDIGS ,,, you certainly find some interesting ''link's'' & I see my old acetone EC10 in that lot & I still have it albiet much modified to give multi-tap, etc ,I worked on it for countless hour's away-back but I still have it!!!!
CHEERS ALL & thank's rob......................barry..
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Post by Charlie Hall on Aug 14, 2009 2:01:08 GMT
Many there that I hadn't seen before, very interesting.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by graeme on Aug 14, 2009 14:27:09 GMT
Many there that I hadn't seen before, very interesting. I thought the same - I've never even heard of a couple of these units. I was equally surprised at some of the missing ones. No Baby Binson, no Copicat or Melos, yet these must have had more users than all the others put together. |
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Post by Estecho on Aug 15, 2009 1:39:54 GMT
Hello, I'm the guy running the ESTECHO web site. Thanks to the magic of Google Analytics, I found out about this board and thread... The reason why some "classic" tape delays such as the Echoplex or Copycat aren't on the website is very simple: I only create info pages for the delays I actually own, and my collection is far from complete. In fact, such classic delays are usually much more expensive than other, more obscure brands/models, and I'd rather spend my money on buying five strange and wonderful units no one has ever seen than, say, one really expensive Echoplex. Which of course doesn't mean I won't buy one someday!  Thanks to everyone who visited the site. J.F. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2009 2:21:11 GMT
HI J.F. ......welcome to this echo-guitar related site [more digital these day's but many member's would be in possesion of some of the tape unit's] & what a nice collection of unit's you have ,can I askyou do you play guitar&or sing?  ?& what is your favorite unit you have???.. I live in ''OZ'' & the first tape unit's I saw here were the ''echolette'',the well built german unit,, My first was a self made crude unit using old tape recorder part's untill buying the ''acetone -EC10,& although much modified with more head's & some extra circuit& swithes fitted to get a seperate feedback route to suit the multi-tap sound of the shadow's,a long winded project year's ago ,But I stll have it comeplete with the original manual & vynal cover & I am now 70 y/old & I bought the first one to come to sth-australia... I should refurbish it & use it more often !!!!.. I have now learned here from 'charlie'' our guru echo-sound specialist [mainly on digital-programing these day's],that the sound we look for from the ''meazzi'' [first shad's sound's] that we like ,that the head spacing's were not equal? ? & I set mine precicely equal & there for not right??? , here are 2x pic's of my old unit!!  I had to remove the armature from the vari-speed motor & have it precicely ground to reduce diameter of the capstan to reduce the tape speed to get closer to the sound,of the unknown to me at that time ''meazzi'' ..  I have cenre off mini-swithes on each head to get replay one-way & repeat the other or in the cente off!!!!... ,& control's for replay & seperate feedback of individual head's tone etc , a frustrating job way back then .....  I am sure many other member's can also post some of there tape unit's CHEERS J.F. a very good site you have.  barry..  |
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Post by graeme on Aug 15, 2009 9:21:42 GMT
The reason why some "classic" tape delays such as the Echoplex or Copycat aren't on the website is very simple: I only create info pages for the delays I actually own, and my collection is far from complete. Fair enough. I'd say your collection was a lot more 'complete' than many others, so you are doing well . |
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Post by john44 on Aug 15, 2009 23:40:57 GMT
hi J.F and Sheendigs and Charlie
J F what a great collection of tape echo units are they all in working order how long have you been collecting these units.I owned A Klempt Echolette back in the sixties it sisappeared when the store servicing it closed and diappeared forever along with my echolette
Barry another informative contribution the things you do with electronics still amaze me mate
I reckon you could design and build a viable unit from scratch if you do put me down for one
Cheer John44
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Post by SPIKE on Aug 16, 2009 0:16:54 GMT
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Post by Estecho on Aug 16, 2009 11:25:18 GMT
Barry, Thanks for your message. That's a really fantastic EC-10 you've got there! It's quite amazing the number of extra knobs you managed to squeeze on the front panel! A good (and not too rare/expensive) tape delay with good head control (head on/off, feedback on/off), plus sound-on-sound and spring reverb, is the Evans SE-780, also known as the Multivox MX-312. You can check it out here www.estecho.com/gear/Evans_SE-780.html. It's one of my favorite units, a rival to the famous RE-201, although to answer your question about my favorite tape delay is a bit difficult, as they all have different strengths and weaknesses, so I pick the right echo for the right job, depending on what it is. I can't believe you actually added some tape heads to your EC-10!!  That's a modification I wouldn't dare attempt myself, you must be very confident with a soldering iron (and a drill... and azimuth adjustments.... etc.) BTW, if you have a scanner handy, and would be willing to scan a copy of the manual, I could put it up on ESTECHO.com for everyone to access, free of charge. I'm trying to build a useful, free resource for tape delays, so documentation such as this would be a great addition. If you don't have a scanner, I'd settle for photocopies and scan it myself! Yes, I do sing and play a little bit of guitar, but I'm mainly a keyboard player. Electric pianos are my thing (Rhodes, Wurlitzer, Pianet, Columbia/Denon Elepian). The current musical project I'm working on can be heard in the "music" section of ESTECHO.com... Psychedelic, vintage sounding instrumentals mixing electronic music (vintage drum machines, delays, FX, etc) and various other styles. Thanks for sharing about your Ace Tone! john44Yes, they're all in working order, although some of them are not in perfect shape, mostly due to wow/flutter problems. As I service them, I put up info on the pages, so hopefully it can be used as a tape delay servicing web site also. I moved to Japan a couple of years ago, and that's when I began collecting tape delays. A lot of them are around, perhaps because echo has been used for Karaoke for decades now... And since many of these units were designed in Japan, it's a good place to find them. Some brands, though, never made it here (Klempt, Meazzi...), so they're virtually nonexistent in Japan... Sad to hear about your Echolette... J.F. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2009 12:07:10 GMT
HI ALL & J.F. ,I will scan a copy for you & post it here& or where you want it....
I bought this unit new here in adelade & getting it home was disapointed in it not having the multitap & seperate head repeat function that's needed for the shad's sound ,, at that time little was known here in ''australia'' about the sound the shadow's had & what unit's produced the sound ,so it was much trial & error on my part, & I spent many long hour's listening to track's on 45's played back on 33rpm trying to analize the echo's... & finally I started to add head's and an extra board inside to get the sound somewhere close!!!!!
THE one thing that is not right is I could not get the same head's & the extra head's differ& need different preamp cap-value's etc, but seeing your site has made me get the unit out once again & now with ''charlie's help will try to perfect the timing's required to get the sound closer than it is now.....
I do not need it really as I have several digital unit's & two of them programed with ''EFPT'' [charlie-hall's patches] which are very good ,the alesis Q2 being the best unit I have, but for old times sake I will refurbish the old acetone for nostalga sake!!!!!
CHEERS ALL & J.F. ................barry..[ps] J.F. If you can send me a ''PM'' [send-personal message] from my profile ... on this site with your email address I will attach the scanned pages ]to you it will be easier for me !!!!!
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Post by sheendigs on Aug 16, 2009 12:34:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2009 13:10:50 GMT
HI SHEENDIGS ,,, I checked out the site & they speak quite highly agout the EC10 acetone & I discovered they were made by ''ROLAND''!!!!!
THANK"S YET AGAIN .............barry..
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Post by Estecho on Aug 16, 2009 14:29:26 GMT
That's the web site I visited when I saw the EC-10 for sale, just before I bought it! Indeed, Ace Tone is an early precursor to Roland, both of them founded by Ikutaro Kakehashi. They were mostly selling drum machines, organs, amps and effects. No string instruments I think. The Ace Tone tape delays use a tension tape loop, while the first generation Roland Space Echos used a tape cartridge (RE-100, RE-200), which was ultimately replaced by a free-running tape loop (RE-101, RE-201, RE-301, RE-501). It's interesting to see the progression in the engineering... J.F. |
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?& what is your favorite unit you have???..
barry.. 
That's a modification I wouldn't dare attempt myself, you must be very confident with a soldering iron (and a drill... and azimuth adjustments.... etc.)