Shadows sound using Yamaha THR10IIW

[chrisamersham]

Hi there
Having used the Charlie Hall programmed G2.1 Nu for sometime now, and been deeply impressed with it everytime I’ve used it, I’m about to take delivery of a Yamaha THR10IIW. While I’ve heard great reviews of the amp, I was wondering where I would start to get some general Hank sounds from its built in effects? It has echo, delay and reverb, so I’m hoping someone has had some luck using any of the Yamaha THR series? 

Cheers

[DaveC]

Chris,

The THR series amps have built in effects (Chorus/Flanger/Phaser/Tremolo) and built in time modulation (Delay/Delay-Reverb/Spring/Hall) but the delays are "single tap" not "multi-tap" -- so they won't give you Hank Sounds.

Instead you will have to use the delays on the G2.1 Nu (minus the amp sims) and feed that into the THR. An alternative would be to invest in a Hall & Collins Signature Echo or a Stanley Blue Nebula and so get accurate reproductions of Hank's echo patterns plus good simulations of the preamps in the various original echo machines.

The CRUNCH channel of the Yamaha is loosely based on a Vox AC30 or Matchless DC30.

Regards,
DaveC.

[chrisamersham]

Thanks for clarifying this, Dave. I’d just been researching the difference between single tap and multi tap, so I understand the Yamaha amp’s limitations (although it seems to do everything I need apart from this).
I will continue to use the programmed G2.1 Nu with the Yamaha, as I’ve been so impressed with the Shadows settings on it.

Thanks for your help again

Chris

[milko]

Hi Chris,
I’ve got a Yamaha THR10. You definitely need Charlie’s Echoes on a Zoom or H&CSE, but As an example, I used the following settings (all in ‘o’clock’) for a Strat Plus fitted with Lace Gold pickups, so you’ll need to juggle these.
I used the CLEAN setting on the THR10, not the CRUNCH, since I found it far easier to get close to ‘that’ sound, than using the CRUNCH setting. But that was me not you!

PEACE PIPE:- GUITAR:- Neck pickup, tone knob at mid position!!
AMP:- master vol 5 (Full); Gain 10.30; Bass 10.30; Middle 5; Treble 4; NO ADDED REVERB

APACHE:- GUITAR:- Bridge pickup, tone knob at mid position!!
AMP:- as Peace Pipe except Treble at 1 and Reverb at 3

WONDERFUL LAND:- GUITAR as Apache
AMP:- As Apache except Treble at 2 and NO ADDED REVERB.

Remember, I was using Lace Gold pickups, which are close-ish (if your ears are not too critical!) to original 50s Strat pickups - Lace say!!
So actually, if your pickups are different, the above is probably of zero relevance!!!
If you fiddle about with the knobs on the THR10, you’ll notice that they’re interactive and very effective. A small turn gives a big difference.
If you’ve got access to a bass roll off filter, the THR10 is even better, because then you can turn up the Bass on the amp - but actually warm the mids’!! Or so I found.
It’s a cracking little amp, Best of luck.
Milko

[chrisamersham]

Thanks for this detailed and useful information, Milko. I’ll certainly try out these settings when mine arrives. At least I will possibly have an approximation of a Shadows sound to play with, when I haven’t got my G2.1 Nu hooked up. 

Cheers,

Chris

[scanners]

There was a guy getting a great sound out of Katana and a Hall and Collins, can’t remember if I saw it on her or YouTube, someone asked his setting he said he was using the crunch channel at a very low setting, every time I try that it sounds too distorted
Matthew

[brightcaster]

I have to agree that the crunch channel is the closest to a VOX amplifier. At full MASTER volume, you can dial in with GAIN until you get a sweet (more or less) clean sound just before you hear the distortion.

I have several amplifiers from the YAMAHA DG series that were predecessors of the THR line and used the same DSP concept. The main difference to conventional modeling amplifiers is that they do not emulate a specific sound, but a circuit. You can tell from the underlying patents that they emulate a preamplifier and a poweramp with different tubes. But YAMAHA itself recently published a list of the amplifier types behind the sounds:

usa.yamaha.com/support/faq/guitars_basses/6885.html

patents.google.com/patent/US5841875

David

[oldsteve]

I found this thread because I have a THR30II Wireless amp and for fun recently tried to get a Hank sound from it. A Boss delay for the line in gives a double echo and the remote app on the iPad allows much more control than fiddling with knobs on the amp. I like the ‘clean’ amp sound but for some tunes prefer the ‘crunch’ but with careful control of the gain. Only snag is that obviously I can’t use the wireless connection but the set up remains practical for practice and is very portable. Can’t find any Hank patches on line for it which is not surprising. Many thanks to Dave C and others for their helpful comments.

[Charlie Hall]

In case it helps anyone to save a lot of time, I always found that Hank's sound doesn't really happen until a decent echo sound is added.
Regards,
Charlie