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Post by gruntfuttock on Mar 14, 2021 1:42:33 GMT
Many thanks for posting your Atlantis video! Your sound is very authentic! I’m quite envious! Dave
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Post by Jono on Mar 16, 2021 22:19:42 GMT
Hi Bernard, Can you confirm that you have updated your presets & that the link is still correct?.
Jono
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Post by bernardj on Mar 17, 2021 10:42:34 GMT
Hi Jono However, I have improved most of them and as soon as possible I will put a new load Regarding more specifically Apache (with FBI) which are not yet to my taste I can provide you with some presets for Apache which take into account the AC15 (59) I suggest you send them to you if you want to test them - and give me your opinion of course - so as not to clutter up the discussion with questions and answers that can get boring, I suggest that you send me your email to my following email: bernardj.tunedFilter@gmail .com so that I make you pass 2 or 3 tests for Apache Bernard
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Post by georgemc on Mar 17, 2021 14:26:01 GMT
Hello Bernard, Very kind of you to supply settings and your advice. I have been very impressed with your video posts and how close you get to the original sound of the Shadows. I have a limited budget but could manage a EQ2 pedal so this is how my set-up would look. Guitar into volume pedal Volume pedal into EQ2 pedal EQ2 pedal into Neuro desktop Neuro desktop into Zoom G1X Four ZoomG1X Four into EVO4 audio interface Audio interface into MAC computer with Garage Band.
Would this give me a reasonable Shadows sound? I do have a Hall and Collins echo unit which could replace the ZoomG1X if that would help. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Once again thanks for the time and effort. Regards, George McCauley.
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Post by bernardj on Mar 17, 2021 17:19:06 GMT
Hi George If we want to proceed in the right track the guitar must enter into the Hall & Collins ... I don't know the zoom but area has to be in this case if you want to use the zoom the equalization must be neutral because it is not her who will do this job.
it seems that the Zoom also gives you the volume control by the pedal ... if you need it this is a correct option
However, I know H&C and this equipment is excellent for doing all the necessary echoes for shads
From the exit of the H&C you can then go to entry N ° 1 of EQ2 then exit from output 1 to go to your sound card
I don't see that you are using a tube amp which is ideal for '' having the organic vibrations '' that make us shiver ... lol ... ''
So you might need to adjust the presets a bit ... but it's not too complicated if you're used to
it is necessary to consider my theory as powerful and very adaptative ''tonal balance'' of your guitar since it exploits the acoustic and physical principles more than a system `` press buttons flawless '' ... but as it is powerful it will work very well
you must connect the EQ2 to your Mac via USB to work with Neuro Desktop
you should know that the presets for the Mac have the same computer suffix but if they come from the PC they don't load directly on the Mac
I had therefore made a specific load for the Mac and it is therefore the one that will have to be loaded .. I had helped Source Audio develop their Mac version of N.D, so I have a Beta version that looks more reliable.
Only 2 users have set the presets on Mac .. everyone on Didier's Forum used a PC.
So as not to clutter up the charlie's forum and before you have the pleasure of having a good experience, I suggest you join me on the email I gave previously to Jono so that we can continue to think about all this
I think I gave you all the elements to allow you to make a good decision
Thank google Trad
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Post by georgemc on Mar 17, 2021 19:37:21 GMT
Hi Bernard. Thanks for the quick reply and kind offer. I tried the above email address you gave to Jono but was returned as a invalid address. Will try again. regards
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Post by georgemc on Mar 17, 2021 19:52:05 GMT
Sorry but can't send on that email address. My email is: mccauleyg50@gmail.com
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Post by georgemc on Mar 19, 2021 9:12:16 GMT
Hello Bernard. I received your email and have sent you many emails which don't seem to be reaching you. So no problems receiving your emails only sending? Regards.
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Post by bernardj on Mar 19, 2021 11:30:21 GMT
Hi George I just sent you back regards Bernard
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Post by garystrat on Mar 19, 2021 12:34:03 GMT
Hi Bernard, I have been looking into this a little more closely and doing a bit experimentation. I have found that splitting the paths and mixing them adds a type of double tracking that thickens the highs in a specific way, when double tracking is done as a final stage by creating a secondary duplicate track it seems a little different? One way I have tested this is to apply two instances of the audio input 1 through different tracks, arm them both for recording/monitoring and try various effects in the second track. I was a little surprised that this made a noticeable difference as as I usually split the audio paths in Helix Native as standard practice (path 1 is sent to path 2A and 2B panned to give left right outputs). Common FX like the amp sim and compression is on path 1, other effects are duplicated on path 2 with the exception of a delay on 2A which provides double tracking (I prefer this method, because it’s monitored). I was wondering if this could be a component of the Abbey Road Studio magic and indeed if they were doing something even more complex, I found this post which might be of interest too: www.musictech.net/tutorials/get-the-classic-abbey-road-sound/The article specifically states bespoke double tracking, which most of us were aware of, but maybe it was used in conjunction with routing paths set in particular way? I have also changed to the Essex 15 modelling in Helix Native, which has different parameters to the Essex 30 and gives very pleasing results, they are described in the “show more” section of each amp on the link below: helixhelp.com/models/#ampsBest regards Gary PS: I'm also using a Mac!
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Post by bernardj on Mar 19, 2021 14:58:16 GMT
Hi Gary '' I have found that splitting the paths and mixing them adds a type of double tracking that thickens the highs in a specific way, when double tracking is done as a final stage by creating a secondary duplicate track it seems a little different?""
the '' double tracking '' as mentioned Malcom Addey in R. Pistolesi book, if one understands it as a sound engineer and not as a translation of google translate ..lol ... can mean a lot of different things and techniques .. but in the end the goal and as you experience it yourself to be able to apply different settings on a signal which is `` doubled '' for that No doubt that no sound engineer gives his secrets in this sector because they are the image of `` his own signature '' The equipment available at Aroad in the 60s did not really allow a lot of things but it was possible with the help of patch bay to duplicate the signal of the guitar and therefore to increase the possibilities of the processing. You should probably understand that what N Paramor and Malcom Addey heard in the cabin is not what Hank heard while he was playing ... since there is no proof that he played the tunes of the end of the 60s with headphones ... there is therefore a good chance that he would discover when he climbed into the cabin the `` magnified '' result of his guitar and that he then gave consent with the group ... this is also what has been happening in all studios for a very long time. I really think that Malcolm Addey was a magician and that he used Studio 2 like Hank of his Strato ...!!! In any case, you are right to work with this notion of double tracking ... My Quatermaster post that I recently put here was done like this when I was just starting to demo on this topic. thank you very much for being so kind to develop these topics with me regards Bernard and...google translate
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Post by garystrat on Mar 20, 2021 9:37:15 GMT
Hi Bernard,
I’m sure what you say is right in terms of technical secrets and signature sounds, but I think it more likely the studio’s were the ones with an interest in keeping these in-house, it was all very commercial and pretty competitive.
As a further experiment I turned off the echo and started playing around with the double track timings and found what I may believe to be a sweet spot around 180/202 ms where there is a distinctive secondary effect that seems to differ from the normal thickening delay when applied after the echo.
My findings would suggest that your Theory also works well if there is double tracking after a single instance of the EQ, then I got to thinking about the logic of all this as I’m splitting the signal in specific way with the double tracking in Helix Native and then going to the echo plugin, whats happening is that echo is processing the double tracking. The chain order is the EQ, Helix Native and then the echo, so really only something that might happen in the studio environment, but I would have thought a possibility at Abbey Road Studio?
I’m not sure if I’m onto something or merely over thinking it!
Best regards
Gary
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Post by bernardj on Mar 21, 2021 11:10:50 GMT
Hi Gar y
''As a further experiment I turned off the echo and started playing around with the double track timings and found what I may believe to be a sweet spot around 180/202 ms where there is a distinctive secondary effect that seems to differ from the normal thickening delay when applied after the echo.'' Doubling and delaying a signal is a very old practice and gives thickness to the sound ... delay times are a big subject of research and the `` HAAS '' effect is also widely used in studios It must be taken very often into account in the work of Malcom Addey a Aroad that the sound of Hank's guitar went back into the Clear Room being delayed by 120 ms by a BTR tape recorder So that with a coloring specific to this clear room our ears already hear (and apart from all other manipulations on the part of Mr. Addey) twice the sound of Hank but also twice the bounces of the Echoes ... with 120 ms delay This produces an extra "" thickness "on the rebounds of the Meazzi since they are also doubled with this offset. When we play on stage or at home, even with good echo timing, we cannot hear this very particular phenomenon ... Another thing also is that I make a big difference between Abroad's Beattles for which there is a lot of documentation and Aroad's Shadows and Malcom Addey where we have little ... which are in any case different and can leave us think that these 2 times were similar. We often have to be satisfied with Photos for the Shadows without forgetting that the equipment for the Beattles evolved very quickly ... as well as the musical aesthetic ... Regards Bernard
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Post by garystrat on Mar 21, 2021 15:29:35 GMT
Hi Bernard,
Thank you for the information, I hadn’t heard of the “HAAS” effect before, although I’ve been using the described method for quite a while now.
From what you say it sounds as though there is good logic in this, but perhaps I should use a delay setting of 120 ms, I will give his a try a bit later!
Previously, I used a much lower setting in the HN delay path, thinking that it would have a negative impact on the main echo. Using a plugin echo, I find it gains a bit of character if placed after HN, but I also have Redwirez mixIR3 in between the two. Redwirez has really good Vox presets based on mixing three IR’s to give a combination of mic’ing and characteristics, I just did a little tweaking (it will load and mix any combinations of IR, but this version has dedicated ones with advanced features that includes “Z “control)!
Once again, many thanks!
Gary
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Post by garystrat on Mar 22, 2021 7:16:28 GMT
Hi Bernard,
I’ve now tried the secondary delay set at 120 ms and that seems to work very well indeed, not overdone but just enough to give the echo that little studio type boost/character.
I really appreciate being able to benefit from your experience and knowledge, all these tips are extremely helpful!
Best regards
Gary
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Post by bernardj on Mar 22, 2021 20:14:59 GMT
Hi Gary It is great that you can apply some studio practice that can help you satisfaction bernard
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Post by stratplayer on Jan 7, 2024 15:08:29 GMT
Dear Bernard,
I have been following your tuned Filter explanation of obtaining Hanks Early sound with great interest.
I have this week ordered an Source Audio EQ2 to start experimenting myself. I wonder is is possible for you to let me have a file I can download your settings for the EQ2? I seem unable to connect to the French Shadows website.
I will order the AB Y Pedal later on once I have got used to the EQ side of things.
Thank you so much for all your hard work in helping us achieve Hanks sound. It is appreciated by us all.
I hope you can help?
Kind Regards Steve
PS Sorry I don't speak French.
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Post by bernardj on Jan 7, 2024 22:08:38 GMT
Hi stratplayer Here is a load of 32 presets V6 for the EQ2 Source Audio : app.box.com/s/c13vyqfh5rgom7fm4myfhqh1vglapj5p You must connect the pedal by USB to your PC and launch the small program `` Neuro Desktop '' to load the presets into the pedal The 32 presets are already very close but it is necessary to adapt each preset to your guitar, your touch and your amp..of course This adaptation is generally done by modifying the ''Q factor'', it is the most rational way to enhance the `` harmonics '' of the preset. The second correction that can be considered is to modify the Gain on the frequencies ... (with discretion) the ideal is to keep the frequencies chosen because they correspond to the tone of the tune and sometime to the action of the filters RS 106 and / or 127 of Aroad I have worked since this version again on some tunes. Some tunes do not yet give complete satisfaction but the great consolation is that one hears tune after tune a very similar sound coming out of his amp ... Enjoy
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Post by stratplayer on Jan 8, 2024 12:12:17 GMT
Hi Bernard,
Thank you very much for the quick reply and the given link. I'm very grateful to you.
I'm expecting the EQ2 to arrive either today or tomorrow so im looking forward to loading your patches. I'm sure they will be a big improvement in the sound I obtain.
One other question I also have a Vox HWAC15TV (the same amp as you). Mine is unmodified so I will have to rely on the standard Bass Cut given on the amp. My question is will this still enable me to get close to to Hanks Sound
Kind Regards Steve
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Post by bernardj on Jan 8, 2024 13:07:44 GMT
Hi Steve the possibilities for filtering the bass with L Eq2 will be sufficient to do the job. regards bernard from France
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Post by stratplayer on Jan 12, 2024 19:33:44 GMT
Hi Bernard,
Just to let you know I’ve now tried your patches through the EQ2 direct into my pc. What a fantastic job you have done with your programming. You can really hear the difference between each tune/patch. My next test will be through my Vox AC15 HWTv.
Thank you so much for all your kindness and hard work.
Regards Steve
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Post by bernardj on Jan 12, 2024 22:42:12 GMT
Hi Steve Start working quietly with this load then you will tell me if you want to work on 2 inputs of the H1 TV as I show on a video in youtube in this case I will send you a specific load Bernard from France and...Google trad😀
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Post by stratplayer on Jan 16, 2024 12:26:43 GMT
Hi Bernard,
I would like to start using 2 inputs. I’d like to take advantage of your kind offer and would very much like your specific load.
Thank you again
Steve
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Post by bernardj on Jan 16, 2024 21:53:50 GMT
Hi Steve I will prepare this for you quickly Bernard from France.
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Post by stratplayer on Jan 17, 2024 10:52:32 GMT
Hi Bernard,
Thank you again but there is no rush. Whenever suits you would be fine.
Regards Steve
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Post by bernardj on Jan 18, 2024 14:20:08 GMT
Hi Steve here is à private message for you
Bernard from France
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Post by stratplayer on Jan 18, 2024 17:36:05 GMT
Hi Bernard,
Sorry but I’ve not received your PM.
Please use stratplayer1247@yahoo.co.uk
Many thanks Steve
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Post by stratplayer on Jan 19, 2024 13:30:55 GMT
Good Afternoon Bernard,
Just to let you know I’ve received your PM now. I will try this out over the next few days.
Thank you also for allowing me to pass your download on should any other member require it.
I will let you know how I get on later.
Thank you very, very much once again.
Kind regards
Steve
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Post by bernardj on Jan 19, 2024 13:43:03 GMT
Steve yes you can pass thé download bernard from France
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Post by jetblack69 on Jan 21, 2024 16:09:37 GMT
just read the WHOLE THREAD. absolutely fascinating. I have a TVS3 and a Heritage VOX AC15HTV1 I am in the process of REPLACING the "thin/brittle" sounding cheap chinese OUTPUT TRANSFORMER with Mercury Magnetics OUTPUT TRANSFORMER this was on Paul Rossiters advice as it's the same transformer he put in his AC15/30/4 30/6 CLONE AMP. app.box.com/s/krr69nhc03hqjqegno0ej1bc1j3yn92wRegards Steph.
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